Talk:βιβλιοπωλεῖον
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Sarri.greek
how do we correct Q data?[edit]
1. How do i change the dates in quotation
Athenaeus is c.250 to 350 CE, not BCE. And expression c.250-350 not so good, because he did not --we assume-- live 100 years. Perhaps fl.c.300 CE?
Also, this makes the word βιβλιοπωλεῖον hellenistic, not classic ancient. (Ι was not sure when stores for books first operated (this link @wikipedia greek&roman booksellers helped a bit)
πάπυρος-bookstores in ancient Athens? or just scribes? 2ndCE περγαμηνή was sold in βιβλιοπωλεία similar to ours, in Alexandria i guess.
2. By the way, how can I write e.g. at fl.#Latin an ALT or a TITLE for the link 'floruit, (flourished)'? What is the point for mouseover to show the exact word one already views? Thank you sarri.greek (talk) 11:20, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Sarri.greek: You can change the dates in Module:Quotations/grc/data; to find him, search "Athenaeus" until you find the data for that author. Then you can change the relevant text between the quotation marks.
- I labeled the word as Koine. It just needs the template
{{tlb}}after the headword line and a|dial=parameter in the declension or conjugation template (if applicable). - You can't change the title (tooltip); that is automatically added by the MediaWiki server software. I guess it's added whether or not the link page is different from the link text. — Eru·tuon 20:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you so much @Erutuon: I will copy your guide and practice:) Cheers! sarri.greek (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2018 (UTC) @Erutuon: Done the Quotation thanks (the module does not accept c. fl. and abbreviations, but never mind). I moved the word tlb=Koine to Ety. It looked to me as though the expression:
- βῐβλῐοπωλεῖον • (bibliopōleîon) n (genitive βῐβλῐοπωλείου); second declension (Koine)
- meant that second declension was 'Koine' type or something. Is it? I think it is the usual one. And from inflection titlebar. Is there a Koine inflection? Then, Attic would seem odd too.
- just a thought. We can undo it if you do not like it. sarri.greek (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Sarri.greek: I agree that having the dialect in brackets after the declension may be misinterpreted, but I do think it should be in the headword line and not somewhere else. If all the dialects use the same templates now, in future it would be easier to change the format, perhaps by moving the dialects into the headword template and displaying them in another clearer way βῐβλῐοπωλεῖον • (bibliopōleîon) n (genitive βῐβλῐοπωλείου); second declension — Koine. I do wish the dialects were specified in the headword template: then the module could, for instance, check that a first-declension noun ending in -η (-ē) or -ης (-ēs) is not labeled as Doric or Aeolic or other dialects without the Attic–Ionic shift.
- Mentioning a dialect in the header of the inflection table simply indicates that 1. the word is indeed used in this dialect and 2. when used in that dialect, these are the inflected forms that could appear, if the modules have sufficient data on the dialect. (A side note, though: the module does not prevent someone from mentioning an obscure epigraphical dialect, like Pamphylian, for which Module:grc-decl/decl/data has no data at all, and for which the table would probably be inaccurate.) So "Koine" being in the header doesn't mean that any of the inflected forms are distinct from the forms in Attic or any other dialect. (Another side note: maybe the header should say "Koine, Byzantine", but I still haven't figured out how to make that work.) — Eru·tuon 23:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ὦ @Erutuon: you need not be so kind to spend so much time explaining: just say 'we need it this way for computer reasons' and I'll do it. I know how much effort you put in automatizing the whole thing. I will copy back the previous version. One thing though. After crystallizing a final auto-style, in some years time, allow a last touch to the human eye... Something like the 'zeroth' law for robotics:)) Thanks. (need to read something about Pamphylians now:) sarri.greek (talk) 00:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)