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@Sarri.greek Καλησπέρα, ζητάω συγνώμη για το πρόβλημα που δημιούργησα, έχοντας άγνοια του τι ακριβώς μπορώ και πρέπει να κάνω μέσα στο wiki. Σκοπός μου ήταν να δω πως δουλεύει, πως μπορώ να κάνω εγγραφές, για να προχωρήσω προσθέτοντας διάφορα στοιχεία πελατών μου και όχι για να “διαφημίσω το όνομά μου” όπως αναφέρετε. Θα ήθελα την βοήθειά σας, να με κατευθύνεται στο τι πρέπει να διαβάσω και ν’ ακολουθήσω, έτσι ώστε να μπορέσω να λειτουργήσω σωστά και χωρίς προβλήματα. Ευχαριστώ, εκ των προτέρων για την βοήθειά σας, αναγνωριστικό φραγής #7707.[User:Emiliokyriakakis]


Happy New Year

@Sarri.greek — Κι εσύ! — Saltmarsh. 07:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh Yes! Happy new year -as happy as possible, anyway- I forgot that we spoke before the new year arrived. So, Happy New Year to all of you! I am taking a small break, but I will resume edits soon. For the moment I mainly revert bad edits at el.wikt... that sort of thing. Thanks! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 13:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ppp ξαποσταίνω[edit]

Hello @Sarri.greek, please can you help. We have ppp = ξαποστασμένος (ξαποσταμένος), whereas Mpampi, Jiordanidou, et al only have the 2nd form. Is this a grammatical nicety or a mistake? Athens was in the news here last week, but only for snow! Has theUK hijacked all the Covid vaccine? - have many come to Greece? Meanwhile, glad to see you, hope all is well. Best wishes — Saltmarsh. 07:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, @Saltmarsh, snow was great, but created problems -some people had no electricity for many days-. Vaccines were handled badly, i think, from EU. At the moment, th 65+ are vaccinated. I guess, you had been too. I am waiting for my turn... but it will take some time.
Participles: I write what I find at the above mentioned sources +DSMG. Without having studied the matter, my first thoughts would be: The 1st -ασμένος, (I found only one at google) would imply a hypothetical passiveno passive for this verb aorist *ξαποστάστηκα from *στάστηκα which does not occur, while the form ..-στάμενος without [s] does for -αινω verbs from ἵστημι, the troublemaker irregular verb!!!
At the moment, i am checking 16.000 ipa changes at el.wikt... Attt last, we are swithing to /e/ and /o/ for IPA. Sooo much work to be done, and no volunteers for it... ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 07:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Yes - we've both been vaccinated - and it is warming up here, w:crocuses are flowering. With reference to "Sooo much work to be done…" the OXford English dictionary was started in the 1850/60s and they had only published G in 1900. — Saltmarsh. 07:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@Sarri.greek I have to go with the flow, although it's in my nature to do the opposite. Shakespeare said somewhere or other "Thou whoreson zed! Thou unnecessary letter!" But the university presses, the Times and Mr Trump's lot insist on -ize, although most other Britons prefer -ise. Apparently we have the Greek -ίζω to thank for the former! Καλό μήνα Μάρτιο! — Saltmarsh. 07:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a! @Saltmarsh, about the spelling 'categorize'.. (frankly, I am totally confused with 'Oxford' spelling which is british and british -ise, which is british too...) Why not try to find a neuter solution. Emmmmmm ... How about: category=! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 07:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Most English people (and probably Scots, Welsh and Irish) will use -ise, but publishers will often have a house rule that -ize should be used and authors overruled. The -ise spelling may be a lost cause to, we shall see! — Saltmarsh. 19:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh. I am rethinking. All this happens because of e,g, cats with stem-markers
like Category:Greek consonant-stem verbs in -n- as in Category:Greek 1st conjugation groups.
The Module:category tree/poscatboiler/data/lang-specific/el categorised the stems as seen in the appendix notes. I made the parameter |category=Category:{category|} but if the title ever changes, that will be a problem. We need a stem-consonant marker parameter, to be safe. Also, Category:Greek irregular verbs may apply as extra anywhere e.g. βγαίνω is irregular, also with -n ending consonant.
So could we also add a i= and a |consonant= too? Maybe at Template:el-conjug-subcat? Or it can be done at each template when needed at Category:Greek verb inflection-table templates (new)
{{#if:{{{i|}}}<!-- irregular cat added as extra with i=1 or i=yes, ...
		-->|i|irr|irreg|irregular=[[Category:Greek irregular verbs]]<!--
-->{{#if:{{{category|}}}|[[Category:{{{category|}}}]]<!-- free 
-->|{{#if:{{{consonant|}}}|[[Category:Greek consonant-stem verbs in -{{{consonant|}}}-]]<!-- as in Category:Greek consonant-stem verbs in -n-
-->}} }}<!-- close |consonant= close |category=
... etc if there is more
They modulists have not done anything for 2nd conjugation, which is much more complicated, and i think only A1 A2 B C and Combinations are enough categproes. For the moment. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 11:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Do you really need my comment on this - it would take I while for me to get to grips with what you are asking! — Saltmarsh. 19:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh, the auto cat created super groups, and we need to link to them. That's all. Some cats, or individual verbs will go under them e.g. Category:Greek consonant-stem verbs in -n-
I was thinking of an addition to Template:el-conjug-subcat ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 19:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • Thanks @Sarri.greek for setting me straight with "creme de la creme" - I did come across that somehwere and thought I was misinterpreting the Greek! Often they are one and the same thing!
  • Sorry to question your words at [[1]] :) Babiniotis doesn't mention venom etc, but in my pocket Maria Mandala the first gloss for ιός mentions "το δηλητήριο που χύνουν μερικά ζώα όταν δαγκάνουν ή κεντρίζουν". ιός and φιδιού do get some hits on Google, although I have insufficent courage to interpret what is found. Is Mandala out of date? — Saltmarsh. 15:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh. She is a respected lexicographer. See her explanation? It is a specific poison, the one mentioned in ancient greek. She explains compounds like ιοβόλος (poison-emitting) which is used only for snakes. Also. Most dictionaries explain the ancient sense (without being very clear about which greek.phase they are talking about) It is very useful in order to understand the newer sense. I do not have the particular dictionary, and do not know if there is a sign for A, M N (ancient mediaeval new). yes, One could say «ο ιός αυτού του φιδιού» using its ancient sense. But, truly, if you ask any doctor what ιός is, it is always virus and never poison, unless we are quoting Hippocratic mediacal texts, or mediaeval. The 'mentioning' of ancient words as in their initial senses in modern texts is very frequent, but that does not mean that the word/sense has entered the lexicon of the modern language. I would take it away -not to confuse readers- I would rather place it at Etymology section. Also, I think there is a little note next to the related term ιοβόλος ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 15:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Thanks, my pocket edition is quite chunky but still has little space for notes or explanation. If it has been used since 1453 should that gloss be marked as obsolete - else should it be remmoved? — Saltmarsh. 06:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh, I do not know this dictionary and how Mandala uses Etymology abbreviations. But perhaps, it was her opinion. To explain what it really means. In katharevousa, probably it would be valid too. I have similar problems very often with senses differring in various dict. (I only have 3 dictionaries; only one is old and huge). Not to mention an encyclo sitting at the corridor, where the lemma Churchill ends with: He is minister of Navy Affairs... :) :) ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 13:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek If your enclopaedia is Britannica that sounds like the 11th (or thereabouts) edition which I think was considered to be the "Gold Standard". Any way my little Mandala has little other than a definition occasionally and I don't think any etymologies. If "ιός as venom" has been used since 1453 I gues we should have it but labelled a obsolete — or else that glos should be deleted. — Saltmarsh. 14:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@Sarri.greek Good to hear from you. Is this idiomatic? Can we talk about it? I only get:

  • Σου παραέδωσα θάρρος!
    • You give (me) too much courage!
  • Γίνε πιο ευγενικός!
    • Βecome politer!
Saltmarsh. 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh Thanks! I didn't know how to translate it. The colour of the phrase would be: I allowed too much... free hand to you (here courage means: insolence, you have transcended the limits. I thought there might be some idiomatic phrase for it. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 07:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Hmmm… I cannot think of any idiom - I should have used more word to get the sense.
Is it that "your words have given me enough courage, to tell you that you should be more polite"
I'm afraid the "old grey cells" («μικρά γκρίζα κύτταρα» - is that used in Greek) are dying of too fast, remembering the right word (and the names of people) becomes more difficult!. — Saltmarsh. 08:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh, mine neither... :) I thought this is a Poirot phrase... Thanks anyway! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 08:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed gender nouns in -έας[edit]

Good morning @Sarri.greek, hoping all is well with you.
I have duplicated {{el-nM-εας-εις-1}} giving {{el-nM-εας-εις-1b}}. Would I be correct in thinking that feminine singulars in "-έως" are restricted to those with Ancient derivation? Bikipedia doesn't always seem to show this (viz. el:αερομεταφορέας. Or have these old forms crept over into some neologisms? — Saltmarsh. 07:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning @Saltmarsh! Yes, I'm fine! All modern -έας derive from ancient ending -εύς (gen. -έως). The fminines too, which are identical: o συγγραφέας, η συγγραφέας. Modern genitive: -έα, plus, for ancient or quasi ancient words +the ancien variant -έως. For example a very modern word like αερομεταφορέας, βιντεοπροβολέας (I think it is a videoprojector), one would not choose to use the -έως genitive. Your example βασιλέας is a direct variant of the βασιλεύς, so, I would not choose it as catchword. αερομεταφορέας is a better word, still, some people use -έως for it too. Examples at el.wikt.Appendix-έας ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 07:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ο! @Saltmarsh i need to recheck the whole Cateogry at el.wikt. I have chosen a wrong catchword too. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 07:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Category 'αμφορέας'@el.witk: most of them are +έως. Only some VERY modern appliances and gadgets would not take a second -έως genitive. I will check the words, and review here too. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 08:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ευχαριστώ πολύ @Sarri.greek - I'll wait for your final recommendations for the catchwords. Is the footnote OK? — Saltmarsh. 19:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh I have corrected things at el.wikt, Thaaaank you!. Now they are masc. 'αμφορέας' Category and mixed gender 'συγγραφέας' Category . ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 19:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek Το πρωί! — Saltmarsh. 19:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Politonic technicality[edit]

Merci @Sarri.greek my Φύλακας άγγελος! I have set about rewriting (new) About Greek yet again - and the original (from 2007) is too long and probably not much help! Up until now I have cut and pasted politonic diacritics - Windows help implies when choosing a Greek keyboard in Windows that "politonic" should be choice. Maybe the Windows version sold in Greece has this facility, but mine doesn't —and when all is considered I will probably never need to type a lot of politonic. But how do you accomplish it? — Saltmarsh. 14:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saltmarsh I have no such keyboard either! -too complicated- I copypaste! See edit tool at bottom of page -when editing- 'Greek' has all the polytonic symbols. Or, I open a tabwindow with something like el:Παράρτημα:Γραμματοσειρές (ελληνικά), for which you, my dear mentor, have been the inspiration with your nice appendices. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 14:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh PS but i can write whatever you need, do not bother with it! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 14:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merci bien! @Sarri.greek Mercifully I don't need to use polytonic (I thought there was something not quite right about politonic !) very often, I have a poly-alphabet amongst my files with enlarged characters - very difficult to see the difference at normal size.
F's friend in Salonica was due to have her first vaccination last week - unfortunately she developed shingles (έρπης-ζωστήρας) and it couldn't be done - have you had yours yet! — Saltmarsh. 16:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh, oh dear! she was unlucky. Our age-platform opens next week, and I guess, the waiting list is large, so i expect it will take some time until I am vaccinated. Thanks for your concern! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 16:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Entries from an anon[edit]

Hello, I noticed earlier that an anon has been adding Greek words without using a headword template. Perhaps you can inform them as to how they should use those templates? They're also adding the entries to Category:Kaliarda, which has no explanation as to what it means...User: The Ice Mage talk to meh 19:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! dear me! I just saw this message. Sorry @The Ice Mage but this /2021 page does not alert me automatically, and I have been busy elsewhere.
Thank you, thank you for this note. The anon uses a good source, I 'll chek the lemmata and add some explantion for Kaliarda. I am very grateful for your note, and I am sorry that my answer is so late. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 11:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek No problem, and thanks for your contributions. :) User: The Ice Mage talk to meh 11:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Here's hoping all is well with you @Sarri.greek. I don't see any problems with #2.2 — but #2.3, I'm not sure that we have term in English or I can't think of one (the little grey cells). Is the sense: "economies have enabled us to 'add to' a product" eg (1) printing the book will cost less, so we can add those appendices; (2) the cost of engines has dropped, so we can include a sun roof in that model? — Saltmarsh. 05:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning @Saltmarsh. All is fine here, thank you. Yes, your examples are good. (sense 2.3 is quite rare). You know that normally I do not do definitions and translations, especially in expressions like that. My english is not that good. Rossyxan is an expert because he is bilingual. Helllooo Ross! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 05:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek: I've reworded it slighly but perhaps @Rossyxan can improve it. — Saltmarsh. 05:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@Sarri.greek — I have long intended to ask you if you would like to be nominated as an Admin. I've put it off an number of times because you are very conscientious and might feel you have been lumbered (=overburdened). Having said that I take part in practically no housekeeping duties - so please say!! — Saltmarsh. 11:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saltmarsh, my mentor and teacher! you honour me very much thinking of it. This student is very flattered! But Greek has you and does not need another admin. Also, I cannot possibly be an admin in english.wikt because my English is not good enough: you see that I never do definitions and I avoid translations in general. The only technical thing that I cannot do at the moment is delete pages, which is ok, because they can always be deleted by you or somebody else.
At el.wikt, things are very difficult, tooo many corrections of old deprecated pages etc. Here, the Mod.Greek section looks perfect, because you have been taking care of it all these years.
Thank you! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 11:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek I'm only sorry that my presence on el.wikt is not greater :-( — Saltmarsh. 11:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Καλημέρα @Sarri.greek Ι always have a problem interpreting the abbrev declensions shown in dcitionaries! Does a Greek person know instinctively how to fill the gaps? Would you be able to help?

Ευχαριστώ — Saltmarsh. 05:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saltmarsh Hello. no! a greek persond would not know who to infeclt, and most people would not know the word at all. (I added the corrections). This declension is in the pattern of ancient εὔελπις 3rd declenion and katharevousa switched it in its opposite by adding α- privative. el:ἄπελπις. Masc=Fem. Vocative repeats nominative - some simplifiation of acc.plural and singular of εὔελπις. And this is the reason that modern.greek grammars like Holton's do not teach it and omit vocatives in similar situations. The truth is, that in such nouns we exit modern greek. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 08:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Sarri.greek: — I think I might have guessed correctly, it almost folows the Katharevousa el:ἄπελπις shown in Βικι. — Saltmarsh. 05:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@Sarri.greek I'm afraid it's me, may I bother you again! This word seems in most sources to follow

  • Mpampi/Kriara giving "pure/genuine" (mostly for metals) and declines ος/η/ο.
  • But my pocket Maria Mandala gives "ο βρασμένος" (declining ος/ος/ον) and then says "currently" = "pure" eg άπεφθος χρυσός.

Do I interpret this correctly as: current usage = pure/purified, declining ος/η/ο. Dated usage = boiled (?) declining ος/ος/ον. The only way I can make "boiled" mean "purified" would be "boiled water" (or perhaps "distilled") — Saltmarsh. 06:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

«Καλή βδομάδα» @Saltmarsh! What a nice word. Yes, the pure/genuine translation is correct. You should never look at Kriaras, because it is strictly mediaeval greek. Now, Mandala, -the word 'currently- apparently, gives ancient senses too, as a help for understanding the word. I remember our discussion about ιός. The ancient literal sense is 'boil down, purify by boiling' (see LSJ) the verb ἀφέψω αφ-ἕψω, ἑφθός (hephthós, boiled). The modern άπεφθος-η-ο sense, is 'purified' (the boiling part is not necessarily inferred) and it is used for gold («άπεφθος χρυσός»), gold sovereigns or other metals Georgakas-άπεφθος has this nice phrase by the late essayist Marios Ploritis «το άπεφθο μέταλλο της φιλίας - the άπεφθο (pure) metal of our friendship» ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 13:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ — an interesting lesson as well!! And "καλό καλοκαίρι" to you (that seems like a ταυτολογία), οι γαλαζοπαπαδίτσες are about fledge in a nestbox outside my window. After a cold wet May we may be looking forward to a "flaming" June. The English - as usual - talking about the weather. — Saltmarsh. 05:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh! you are amazing. I did not know el:w:Γαλαζοπαπαδίτσα... Happy summer to all of you! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 05:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sarri.greek I have seen great tits (w:el:καλόγερος - what a lot of meanings) in Greece, actually on Crete, but not blue tits. — Saltmarsh. 05:33, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English to Greek[edit]

How do you say “Nico’s Supplies” in Greek? —(((Romanophile))) (contributions) 23:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Romanophile, sorry for delayed answer. I am not sure of the kind of shop Nico has... supplies of goods? This would be προμήθεια in plurals: προμήθειες. Also, abstrcat noun for 'supplying' = εφοδιασμός, but it would not be suitable for a shop's name if it sells e.g. car spare parts. Here are some examples from eur.lex mainly. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 04:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So if Nico sells brooms, ladders, and other janitorial equipment, would he call his shop Προμήθειες Νίκου? —(((Romanophile))) (contributions) 20:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July is going ![edit]

Best wishes @Sarri.greek - a chance for an advanced "Happy August"!
Please may I ask you about « είδα κι απόειδα »

  • Βικι seems to say « I achieve something with patient endeavour »
  • whereas my el-en dictionary say « I lost my patience » or « having no alternative »

I fail to see that these translations have anything in common!!

Saltmarsh. 08:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, boss! @Saltmarsh, Ι apologise for my absence from en.witk for so long... Ι have some difficult verbs to do, and I need to sit down and to them.
Your dictionary is correct, and the Βικι is wrong: one of my many tasks is to lemmatise all expressions.
απο- here, is an intensifier. The meaning is: I looked carefully at the situation, (είδα-βλέπω)), and I rechecked once again realising and despairing because there is nothing more to do...(απόειδα, but not the sense of αποβλέπω).
So, it is not exactly 'lost my patience' but 'lost any hope of doing anything better about it. I have to content myself with what I have, and not seek any better solution. It needs an ux. Ι shall try one.
Hope you are having a nice summer. Your ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 08:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Papyros Dictionary says: βεβαιώθηκα και απογοητεύθηκα = I assured myself, and was disappointed. +from DSMG.. after many unsuccesful efforts. ‑‑Sarri.greek  |
Apologies are never necessary @Sarri.greek :) — all is well!!
We have a last been able to see the g-kids again and next month we have a week in Wales with them (neighbouring cottages, lets hope it doesn't rain — do you remember hearing about the frequency of rain in Wales ? In my bit of eastern England we only get a bit more than Athens (50cm compared with 40mm, in west Wales is over a metre).
With reference to your gloss — I am not sure about "assured"
  • I am assured and disappointed after many unsuccessful efforts.
  • After many unsuccessful efforts I am resigned to the situation
Where "resigned" means being "disappointed and accepting"
Saltmarsh. 10:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh! Long heatwave here! Wales better! Please change my english Thaaank you ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 10:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ο Αύγουστος είναι εδώ![edit]

Hi @Sarri.greek - please look at ρολόι  - is it OK? I have created {{el-n-gen-ff}} (I should probably have thought of it before), it is intended to make it easier for nouns like ρολόι. Entry if free-form, anything wanted in the out put - including links - should be put in the argument. Thanks once again for any help which you can give! — Saltmarsh. 11:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saltmarsh, heatwave, plus fires, here. Your template is perfect. Very few words get the 'obsolete' sequence -i think, found in some old books or words in literature. Checking -the numbers may increase, of course- el:Appendix for τσάι& ρολόι I see 26/32 words for γιού and only 4 at the ιού Κατηgory. O! I should also add there the source for these forms: because I cannot remember at the moment, in which text or which dictionary they were found. So, you could rename the τσάι category to Category:Greek nouns declining like 'τσάι' (only with -γιού) and keep the ρολόι Category for both sequences: I should do the same: combine the two variants! Thank you for the nice idea. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 12:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks @Sarri.greek - I shouldn't have used the word turpitude in that definition - one of the only "wrong doings" that academics could be sacked for was "gross moral turpitude"!

My only question is can the term be applied figuratively ie (after the English Civil War) theatres were closed - being viewed as immoral. Thanks so much — Saltmarsh. 05:37, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Saltmarsh, I am sorry, I could not understand the definitions of turpitude either.
Yes, some writers may use αποβορβόρωση as its kataharevousa meaning: literally the combining words: απο- (take away) βόρβορος (the filth, the unethical, the bad things), but today is rare and εξεζητημένος (elaborate+pretentious+sophisticated all 3 together). Usual words for 'cleanup bad things' would be εκκαθάριση κάθαρση or some periphrastic expressions. ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 06:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sour grapes[edit]

@Sarri.greeksour grapes (from Aesop's Fables: an expression of excuse about something that you want but cannot have for oe reason or another) is quite common in English. w:The Fox and the Grapes but couldn't find it in Biki. The only references in English dictionaries were "όμφαξ" and "όμφακες εισίν", neither appear very common on Google. Do you have a more common phrase in MODERN Greek? — Saltmarsh🢃 19:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, boss!! @Saltmarsh, we say it either in the original ὄμφακές εἰσιν (όμφακες εισί(ν)) < ὄμφαξ f (ómphax) = αγουρίδα f (agourída) = unripe grape,
or with a mod.greek proverb, a brief summary of the story: "όσα δε φτάνει η αλεπού τα κάνει κρεμαστάρια" : all that the fox cannot reach, she calls 'unripe grapes' +literally: she makes them fruit hang-to-ripe (όσος, δεν, φτάνω, αλεπού κάνω κρεμαστάρι (kremastári) is a Demotic word for κρεμάω hang fruits to make them ripe.) My greetings to all the family! ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 20:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC) + @Saltmarsh forgot the literal trans.[reply]
Thanks for finding that @Sarri.greek, I must remember "Βικιθήκη" in future. I hope that you are well and keeping your spirits up! We are both well- but my grandson in Surrey brought COVID home from school so all four of them caught it. Needless to say he was right as rain a couple of days later his sister recovered similarly, but M&D both had coughs, headaches and temperature for a week or ten days. We hope that they don'y get any μακροπρόθεσμα symptoms. — Saltmarsh🢃 05:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ω! I am glad everything went smoothly. @Saltmarsh. The situation is difficult for families with children, or with young people who have to work in crowded places. We, older ones, have the luxury of keeping safe. I do not contact people anymore apart from a strict number of 2-3 friends, who are even more careful than me. Food is brought by internet orders once a month, we are vaccinated, so there is hardly any chance we get it.
Going to el.wikt to do some patrolling, and I'm coming back to my verbs!! Need to make a template for -άμαι verbs like κοιμάμαι. I was thinking of calling it 2nd.conj-C (since it is neither of class A or B-ούμαι) ‑‑Sarri.greek  | 08:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]