Talk:κατά
Can someone integrate the sense of kata in cataphract in this list? User:Mallerd (Zeg et es meisje) 08:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I 'd rather create an entry for κατα- (as a prefix). --flyax 11:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I've doing the prefix entries at the same location as the preposition (see διά (diá) for example). It seems to make a lot more sense to put that information there, as it is clearly related to the rest. Additionally, I think that most people are using the unprefixed form in their etymologies. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 19:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK then. If this is what you've been doing so far, it's wiser to continue this way. --flyax 21:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I've doing the prefix entries at the same location as the preposition (see διά (diá) for example). It seems to make a lot more sense to put that information there, as it is clearly related to the rest. Additionally, I think that most people are using the unprefixed form in their etymologies. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 19:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Etymology
[edit]It is not very clear how the term "With" (*ḱm̥-teh₂, *ḱóm) (more clearly seen in Latin derived languages such as Spanish: con, Italian: con, Portuiguese: com, etc) Could be AT ALL the root for "Down from Above" or "Coming Down" or even descend or fall, as the term GR: Κατά is usually translated. Or If the common translation for the term GR: Κατά is wrong (Which is usually held as opposite to GR: Άνα, Above, or Up (maybe even heaven?)) then it is necessary to make an extra effort in really establishing this actual etymological root as it is a rather common term. As far As I can see GR: Κατά is really nothing to do with *ḱóm). Some sort of reference or something might be needed or the information corrected. 181.63.160.74 20:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- *ḱm̥-teh₂ was added in this revision by GuitarDudeness, apparently from Pokorny. I agree the semantic connection is difficult to see, but I can't contribute anything further because I don't have the necessary reference works. — Eru·tuon 21:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
- The change of meaning of these particles can be obscure... How μετά goes from "with/among" to "after"... How ἀνά is "on", "up", "back"... How Latin dē ("from", "down from") has its Germanic cognate to... Κατά, how it is "down from", "into", "against"/"towards" (compare Hittite "down from", "at", "with", "under") , is one other to this collection... Here Pokorny is followed. -GuitarDudeness (talk) 01:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)