Talk:вероятнее всего

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@KoreanQuoter, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 My preference is NOT to have such entries. They are completely predictable, just like "самый" + positive form and I doubt that they are lemmas or should be considered idiomatic. Any qualitative adjective can have "comparative form" + всего/всех to form superlative adverbial collocations, even if the Russian Wiktionary allows them. We could have an appendix describing comparatives/superlatives. What do you guys think? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:13, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

We could have an appendix describing comparatives/superlatives.

This is actually a very good suggestion. There are many entries with "comparative form + всего/всех" and I think this would be a better way to organize them separately. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 06:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Pls note, by this idea I mean comparatives/superlatives, not listing, although I am not planning to this immediately. всего/всех could also have a note. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I think an appendix would be a better idea. It's because we can see how "comparative form + всего/всех" is used at a glance if it's neatly organized into a single appendix. If there's another entry in a form "comparative form + всего/всех", then we can keep adding it into the appendix, and also delete the entity afterwards. (It's just me. I value user-friendliness.) --KoreanQuoter (talk) 06:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

You probably know why SoP's often get deleted. If you know how to make sentences in a language, you won't need all possible collocations. It's not user-friendly to have an entry for 커피를 마셔요, even if it's common, when we have 커피 + 를 + 마셔요. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright, you convinced me. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 06:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• But it's a parenthesis: Вероятнее всего, дома никого нет (Most likely nobody's home.). It's not the same like "comparative + всего/всех": Я бегу быстрее всех (I run faster than others). I've found three dictionaries with this term (Kuznetsov, Yefremova, and Ostroumova/Frampol).--Cinemantique (talk) 07:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

If it's included in dictionaries, then it could be idiomatic and it's not a loose collocation. Please vote on the RFD page. I support the lemming principle - if other dictionaries include it, so should we. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:38, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I was also thinking of this as similar to скоре́е всего́ (skoréje vsevó), although вероя́тнее всего́ (verojátneje vsevó) is much more literally transparent. In general, I strongly support deletion of comparative + всего, but I weakly support deletion of вероя́тнее всего́ (verojátneje vsevó), and would oppose deletion of скоре́е всего́ (skoréje vsevó). --WikiTiki89 14:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

RFD September 2015

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I think it's neither an inflected form nor idiomatic, need some confirmation. See also Talk:вероятнее всего. I think these forms should probably not be included.

To form a superlative adjective, use "самый" + "positive form" of an adjective, many can use the suffixes "-айший"/"-ейший", prefix "наи-".

To form a superlative adverb (used for adjectives as well) - "comparative form" (-ее/-ей, -ше, -же, -че) + всего/всех, e.g. больше всего/всех - the biggest/the largest, most (of all).

--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:23, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Keep: three dictionaries have this term (Kuznetsov, Yefremova, and Ostroumova/Frampol).--Cinemantique (talk) 08:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
• Keep: Yandex has it as a separate expression. I based almost all of the new entries I made on Yandex. I want to play extra safe. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 10:26, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, if it passes the lemming test, I'm withdrawing the RFD. BTW, slovari.yandex.ru is less reliable in terms of checking for SoP-ness. Can I close the case, any objections? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 11:45, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• The problem that I see is that User:KoreanQuoter seems to have created the entry by copying word-for-word from yandex, as is apparent from the phrase after the last comma "the chances are better than even", which sounds non-native and make the yandex entry original and not amenable to merger doctrine. This has to be avoided to prevent copyright violation. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The good news is that I made more entries with {{rfdef|lang=ru}}. So, don't worry about other entries I made. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 00:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Nothing personal. Nothing wrong about making an honest mistake as a result of not being told better. These mistakes need to be pointed out or people are going to continue. You don't need to use rfdef if you take the minimal effort to actually apply the merger doctrine and thus rephrase or drop original parts instead of thoughtlessly copying. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

• RFD kept per no consensus for deletion (2 keeps, 1 delete). And the nominator seems to suggest he is withdrawing this. Either way, will be kept. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)