Talk:もろとも

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@Eirikr: Personally I am inclined to treat もろともに as separate, since に is a morpheme that forms adverbs, not a morpheme that attaches to existing adverbs. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 08:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Suzukaze-c: The particle (ni) is just that -- a particle, and thus not part of the preceding word.
Lemmings-wise, I don't see any monolingual JA dictionaries that treat もろともに (morotomoni) as a lexical item -- just もろとも (morotomo).
We already have numerous entries for various terms where adverbial particle (to) is optional -- pretty much any of the adverbs formed through reduplication or through addition of (-ri) (and often gemination as well).
We also have numerous entries for various adjectives that take -na in the adnominal and -ni in the adverbial. According to the KDJ entry at Kotobank, this word started out as a noun + -na adjective, taking the (ni) in regular adverbial use. Then the adjectival sense receded, and the adverbial use lost the (ni), possibly by reanalyzing the final とも (tomo) as the usual particle combination (which is probably what it was originally anyway), and this can already impart a kind of adverbial quality. The additional (ni) does not appear so much in modern usage, and when it does, all it seems to do is accentuate the adverb-ness of the term. This seems like something better suited to a usage note than an entirely independent entry. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Reply