Talk:有りな

RFV discussion: November–December 2011

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有りな

Is this word really an adjectival noun/na-adjective (形容動詞)? I can find it as a noun or just as a form of 有る, but not as an adjectival noun in dictionaries, and I can't find any clear support in search results for "有りな", but maybe I'm just not seeing it. TIA Haplology 05:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The only use I'm familiar with is the one I'm finding in my web searches -- where あり is in juxtaposition to なし, meaning something like the English with or (deprecated template usage) having}, and the な is the generic modifying particle used with adjectival nouns in Japanese in lieu of the の used with regular nouns. Hits include メールしない子って脈有りなのか無しなのか, currently hit number 6 at google:"有りな", or 問題有りな友人を招待すべきでしょうか, currently hit number 7. None of these uses seem to match the def currently given at 有りな.

FWIW, I don't think ===Adjectival noun== is correct for this; this construction seems to represent a different grammatical rule, but a good explanation of it escapes me at the moment. I'll have to look into this later and get back to you. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 02:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• Delete the whole article. It is the noun 有り, which is generally written in kana (あり). The copula だ always becomes な before の whether the noun is adjectival or not. It is also increasingly common to use な even if the noun is not adjectival, when it modifies another noun. (That is one of the reasons why I think the classification of 形容動詞 is meaningless.) — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 09:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleted: we don’t allow an adjectival noun entry with -な, anyway. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 01:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)