Talk:病癥

RFV discussion: February 2017–November 2018

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病癥

As it now stands, 病癥 is clearly a wrong traditional form of 病症. Is there a separate word from 病症? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

It probably is. It is now cited, but lacks a definition. @Wyang, Tooironic, any ideas? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 06:51, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

It's a variant traditional form of 病症, isn't it? ---> Tooironic (talk) 06:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tooironic: I don't think so. 癥 is only read as zhēng, never as zhèng. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

If that is the case, 古代汉语词典 and CEDICT are wrong. ---> Tooironic (talk) 07:11, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tooironic My 古代汉语词典 (第二版) only gives zhēng for 癥 and only gives zhèng for 症. Dokurrat (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

As I understand it:

徵/征

zheng1, zing1

"(strictly) disease signs; (loosely) signs and symptoms"

among other non-medical meanings and the music zhi3, zi2 pronunciation

症/症

zheng4, zing3

"symptoms of disease; disease"

癥/症:

zheng1, zing1

"abdominal tumour; (fig.) sticking point"

(alt. form of 徵/征 - "signs and symptoms of disease")

(alt. form of 症/症 - "disease")

Wyang (talk) 07:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wyang: I agree, with one exception. If 癥/症 is read as zhēng, would it really be an alt. form of 症/症? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 20:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Alt. term would be more appropriate (for example, at 病癥). Wyang (talk) 21:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The sense “signs and symptoms of disease” (alt. form of 病徵) is cited. We still need two more citations for “disease; illness”. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:58, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

One sense attested, the other deleted. Wyang (talk) 11:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)