Talk:𠂤

Documentation

Why is this character so poorly documented, while there are many other characters that are derived from it, such as 師? In these characters the left-hand side is often 𠂤, yet the radical is the right-hand side of the character. 71.66.97.228 20:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Radical

What is the radical? 71.66.97.228 20:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Related characters?

Are 師, 薛, and 追 related to/derived from this character? 71.66.97.228 20:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Or are these characters actually derived from 呂 (with the line moved to the left), as it says at 追#Etymology? That doesn't seem right because there's a dot at the top of 追, but no dot in 呂. 71.66.97.228 20:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I formatted this character entry, so radical-stroke count should now be given (but correct me if I am wrong!). -- Liliana • 20:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Great--how did you find the radical? 71.66.97.228 20:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

They're actually given in the Unihan database for all Chinese characters, so no labor is involved. -- Liliana • 20:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Etymology at 追 is incorrect. 師 (shī, OC *sri, "troop"), 薛 (xuē, OC *sŋed, "a k. of marsh grass"), and 追 (zhuī, OC *tul, "to chase") all derive from 𠂤 (duī, OC *tuːl, "mound") graphically:

• 師 (ideogrammic) i.e. "troops stationed at a hill"
  • 𠂤 ("mound, hill")
  • 帀 ("round")
• 薛 (*sŋed) (phono-semantic)
  • 艸 (semantic, "grass")
  • 辥 (*sŋed) (phono-, "crime, guilt", variant of 辠 and 罪) (again phono-semantic)
    • 辛 (semantic, "pungent > toilsome")
    • 𡴎 (*ŋed) (phono-, "high and unstable") (probably ideogrammic)
      • from 𠂤 ("mound, hill") and a 屮 on top ("grass"? or may be some other object)
• 追 (*tul) (ideogrammic in oracle bone script and bronze script, phono-semantic in small seal) phono-semantically from:
  • 辵 (semantic, "walking, running")
  • 𠂤 (*tuːl) (phono-, "mound")

呂 signifies backbone (as in 膂), thus is unrelated. Hbrug 21:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow, why did someone put that etymology at 追, then? I guess that should be removed. 71.66.97.228 22:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)