Talk:Austrick

RFV discussion: November 2020–January 2022

The following information has failed Wiktionary's verification process (permalink).

Failure to be verified means that insufficient eligible citations of this usage have been found, and the entry therefore does not meet Wiktionary inclusion criteria at the present time. We have archived here the disputed information, the verification discussion, and any documentation gathered so far, pending further evidence.
Do not re-add this information to the article without also submitting proof that it meets Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion.

---

Untrustworthy Scots entries

See also Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2020/November#Attestation_of_Scots.

Austrick

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Buryatie

RFV failed (admin please delete)

Californie

RFV failed

Cambodie

RFV failed (admin please delete)

Cape Toun

RFV failed (admin please delete)

Chechnie

RFV failed

Chuvashie

RFV failed

Egyp

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Guatemala Ceety

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Indonesie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Ingushetie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Kabardino-Balkarie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Kalmykie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Karachay-Cherkessie

RFV-failed. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Karelie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Kenyae

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Latvie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Maurs

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Mongolie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Nigerie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

North Ossetie-Alanie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

North Rhine-Westphalie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Panama Ceety

RFV failed

Romanie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Sirie

RFV failed

Slovakie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Slovenie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Sooth Carolina

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Sooth Dakota

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Udmurtie

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Unitit States

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

aurie

RFV failed

caipital

RFV failed Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

naition

Scots words added by somebody who doesn't know Scots. No obvious trustworthy Scots hits in a web search. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

• I am marking some of these with the Middle Scots label if I can find one pre-1700 use. I assume one pre-1700 use is enough for Middle Scots. If not, it will fail RFV. Evidence of modern use is welcome, otherwise the RFV should be resolved without deleting the entry. So far, unitit, Egyp, Libie. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  @Vox Sciurorum: if I'm not mistaken, Middle Scots is classified under Middle English on Wiktionary. (see Category:Middle Scots) Thadh (talk) 20:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  @Thadh: {{lb|sco|Middle Scots}} adds the term to the Middle Scots category. With language code enm the Middle Scots label is not recognized as special. The category description reads "This category contains Middle Scots: terms or senses in Middle English as spoken in Scotland from c. 1450 to 1700." That is after the end of Middle English. The wording should be changed to "terms or senses descended from Middle English, as spoken in Scotland from c. 1450 to 1700". Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  CAT:Middle Scots, however, is a subcategory of CAT:Scottish Middle English, not of CAT:Scots language, and Module:etymology languages/data lists its parent as enm, not sco. And while {{lb|enm|Middle Scots}} doesn't add a category, {{lb|enm|Scotland}} adds CAT:Scottish Middle English, a category which also includes CAT:Early Scots. Chronologically, though, only Early Scots is really contemporaneous with Middle English, while Middle Scots (except for a 50-year overlap from 1450 to 1500) is contemporaneous with Early Modern English. And all of the entries in CAT:Middle Scots are actually Scots entries anyway, not Middle English (though some have listings for both langauges). So I suggest we formalize the de facto status quo and make Middle Scots an etymology-only variant of Scots rather than of Middle English (but keep Early Scots an etymology-only variant of Middle English). However, one consequence of doing that will be that we can no longer put {{inh|sco|sco-smi}} into Scots etymologies, because an etymology-only variant of a language cannot also be an ancestor of the same language. —Mahāgaja · talk 21:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

  I wonder if we should change that and allow (modern) languages to derive words from earlier, etymology-only temporal stages of themselves; we had this issue before with people wanting/trying to derive Hebrew words from Biblical Hebrew. Mehhh. Anyway, I agree with the rest of your comment. - -sche (discuss) 05:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

RFV failed (for naition). Vox Sciurorum (talk) 11:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

snawbuird

This one is more plausible, snaw + buird, but I haven't seen a citable use. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 17:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

RFV failed. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

gemme

In DSL as an obsolete variation of gem. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

RFV failed. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

More country names

Algerie

Andorrae

Argentinae

Armenie

Colombie

Croatie

Estonie

Ethiopie

Georgie

Lithuanie

Mauritanie

Namibie

Serbie

Somalie

Tanzanie

Tunisie

Proper names not in DSL or scots-online.org. Likely coined by the contributor following a pattern because the English -ia to Scots -ie change does show up in some documented place names. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

• RFV failed with no citations except for Armenie which I marked as Middle Scots. It is used three times in one pre-1700 work, quotations in A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue. If anybody wants to strictly apply CFI, go ahead and delete it. Otherwise I'm willing to tolerate limited attestation for Middle Scots if it appears in a work considered by DSL to be Scots worth preserving. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)