Talk:Hungarian alphabet

RFD discussion: January–February 2022

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Hungarian alphabet

Khmer script

Pashto alphabet

Phoenician alphabet

Slovene alphabet

Turkish alphabet

Russian alphabet

Please don't add more nominations to this RFD. The entries were chosen deliberately.

To be consistent with Cyrillic alphabet, Balinese alphabet, Sorani alphabet etc. language + "alphabet" gives over 6k entries. --Fytcha (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't know whether this is the case here, but certain alphabets have different alphabetical order, or different letters/characters. The Norwegian alphabet has the letters æ, ø, and å following z, for instance. DonnanZ (talk) 10:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Donnanz: Yeah they do, but that's encyclopedia stuff. Fytcha (talk) 15:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Is it really? I would call it "dictionary stuff", what dictionaries are based on. I didn't know how many letters there are in the Russian alphabet. In response to that, keep the lot. DonnanZ (talk) 15:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay. So you are telling me that Latin alphabet and Latin script (which have artificial sense distinctions) should get deleted because the definition is covered by Latin, the definition 2 of which reads “of or relating to the script of the language spoken in ancient Rome and many modern alphabets.” This sounds like the way I proceed; as seen on مَغْرِبِيّ (maḡribiyy) and طُومَار (ṭūmār). I did not like to create those calligraphic terms preceded by خَطّ (ḵaṭṭ) and قَلَم (qalam) and other words, which are more prominently placed as shown under the bare adjectives. Fay Freak (talk) 12:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Fay Freak: I can't speak (for) Arabic, but yes, the argument is that the adjective already captures all relevant semantics. Honestly, I don't have any particularly strong feelings regarding these "X alphabet/script" entries in and of themselves, I just really value consistency. Fytcha (talk) 15:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Why not move this stuff to the Appendix? We already have various spelling alphabets there. – Jberkel 11:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I support this, compare Appendix:German alphabet. My concern was just to get them out of the main namespace one way or another. For Russian and Phoenician (listed here), we already have this: Appendix:Russian alphabet, Appendix:Phoenician script. However, articles such as Khmer script don't contain nearly enough information currently to warrant anything but deletion. Fytcha (talk) 12:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Move the lot to the appendix and delete the entries. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 23:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Keep "Khmer script". For the rest, I'd suggest redirecting them to the Appendix rather than outright deleting them, as the Appendix is not as accessible for the everyday user, so it'd be best to have a redirect that points them there. AG202 (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. The particulars of an alphabet are encyclopedic. The meaning of each term is SOP and unambiguous as the alphabet of the language, and likewise for Khmer script. DAVilla 21:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. I go to Wikipedia to learn about alphabets and scripts. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. I've created Appendix:Hungarian alphabet, Appendix:Pashto alphabet, Appendix:Turkish alphabet out of them. The rest either already had equivalents in the appendix or contained too little information to be valuable. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 06:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)