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The following discussion has been moved from Wiktionary:Requests for verification.
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Rfv-sense: (of a person) Sure, certain.
Unambiguous evidence needed for this sense, which is not found at “adamant”, in OneLook Dictionary Search.. In any event, the definition as worded just doesn't seem right. The purported synonyms are not fully substitutable. Consider: "I am reasonably adamant." DCDuring TALK 15:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Like I said in my edit summary, it's the only sense I've heard of! I'vew not heard of the pejorative sense which is the only other sense we have. Also you can say "I am reasonably sure" and "I am reasonably certain." Mglovesfun (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- google books:"I'm adamant that" seems to provide enough citations. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've rfv'd the other sense. I've never heard of 'adamant' used as a pejorative. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- One Google Book example "I'm adamant that we can work things out." can mean "I'm sure that we can work things out" but cannot mean "I'm resistant to reason that we can work things out". Mglovesfun (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Cited "other" sense, IMHO. I don't think "inflexible" should be part of the wording. "Unyielding" (already there) covers it better. Some people don't like "inflexibility" in upholding a position and view it pejoratively. "Unyielding" seems more neutral.
- I look forward to seeing unambiguous citations in the entry for the first-challenged sense. DCDuring TALK 16:06, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've rfv'd the other sense. I've never heard of 'adamant' used as a pejorative. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- google books:"I'm adamant that" seems to provide enough citations. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think this word is pejorative. I would define it along the lines of "firm": "he was adamant about not going" = "he was firm about not going / he refused to change his stance that he was not going". Are we sure "certain" is a separate sense? Are we adamant? - -sche (discuss) 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
- I have combined the senses. This is also how Merriam-Webster and Dictionary.com handle it. - -sche (discuss) 05:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)