Talk:bæddel

Origin doesn't look uncertain to me

bæddel = bi- + adel. Lysdexia 17:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello! I've never seen this explanation before. Do you have a cite for this? Leasnam 18:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

there are plenty of similar words that aren't actually related at all. I've looked into this and the only online source for it is wikipedia, which probably means it's not true. it's also incredibly trans/homophobic. unless you can show me historical evidence of this origin, this is just speculation and should not be stated as fact. Thecrepeofdeath (talk) 04:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

It's still the best speculation/theory to date. We don't censor material because it may be non-politically correct. We report facts and hypotheses as-is. The world back then (in the late Middle Ages) was not the same as today. Views were vastly different. Leasnam (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

The world back then and the world today are sadly similar in terms of hatemongers, but I still want to see an actual source on this. Dictionary.com reports "perhaps" related, which doesn't fill me with confidence and shouldn't anyone else either. — This unsigned comment was added by 82.29.187.171 (talk).

As unconvincing etymological suggestions go... this article speculates about a possible Celtic substrate origin, although it seems like a bit of a stretch to me, phonologically and (in the case of many of the mentioned Celtic words) semantically. - -sche (discuss) 07:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Modern English use

@Binarystep, Surjection, WordyAndNerdy and anyone else interested, are any of you familiar with this? The definition is quite long and detailed; is it accurately/fairly conveying what the distinctive characteristics of bæddels are? (I see a few twitter accounts self-describing as bæddels; do you know if it was/is originally/mainly a self-descriptor, or mainly an outsider's descriptor, or do both 'insiders' and 'outsiders' use it? Any idea how common it is?) The definition was initially written as if bæddels were the only people who used the concepts/terms of TMA vs TME, but I tweaked that, because that's certainly not the case; I've heard TMA/TME discussed by a lot of people, and never heard of bæddels in a modern English context before right now. - -sche (discuss) 23:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

As the person who wrote the ME definition - it's gotten rarer over the years, but it used to be very common on Tumblr. The bæddel community is still around (I've met a good few on Twitter) though it's never quite picked up the steam it used to have. I wrote it mainly on experience as someone who uses Twitter frequently, with input from my Tumblr-using brother (who, being FTM and unaware of the fact that dictionaries are supposed to be unbiased,got mad at me when I didn't explicitly write that bæddels are eeeeeevil). From what my brother told me, it started off as a self-descriptor, but both non-bæddels and bæddels use it nowadays. FailSandwich (talk) 01:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I haven't encountered this before. I couldn't find any print citations for the term used in this sense. It may be attestable from Twitter or other online sources. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 03:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I question the relevance of TME/TMA terminology to this page. The terminology may be popular with baeddels, but it is completely irrelevant to the etymology of the word baeddel since they aren't terms used exclusively by self-described baeddels. If the reference to TME/TMA must remain, then I suggest including sources written by those who do not favour TME/TMA terminology.

However, if that were to happen, it runs the risk of turning the page into a place to debate the usage of TME/TMA, which is more reason why the terms should be omitted from the page entirely. LucCymru85 (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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bæddel

A few Google hits but hardly anything really. Equinox ◑ 02:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, as I said on talk a year ago, I've never heard this, and not only can't find enough hits to discern if it's primarily a self-designation or one applied by other people (and how, e.g. neutrally or negatively), I can't even find enough uses to feel comfortable that it's not a hoax like clovergender or dragon sail. That WaN never heard of it either does make me suspicious, since even with terms like Vincian that are way too rare to meet CFI, I've at least heard them and can vouch that they're real. - -sche (discuss) 17:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

This term is genuinely popular in certain groups on Tumblr, typically in gender non-conforming radical feminist circles. I have a few sources, but I'm not sure if I should post them here because it'd be giving platform to some blogs filled with hate (given the context). If needed, I can post though. If you do a search on the site/app, you will see continuous and meaningful usage. Fluxjupyter (talk) 05:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I actually went through and archived some pages through the wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004053203/https://medium.com/@greyson.not.horses/lets-talk-about-b%C3%A6ddels-a-comprehensive-retrospective-a59784bf311b

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004053345/https://degeneratediaries.home.blog/2021/01/13/the-queers-arent-alright-consequences-of-political-lesbianism/

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004054133/https://www.tumblr.com/baeddel-txt (mostly images, so not a permanent source)

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004054542/https://www.tumblr.com/hedonistbrat/730103040534773760/i-think-the-reason-baeddels-are-currently-sending

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004054828/https://www.tumblr.com/sheep-trenchcoat/724844004997529600/wish-that-baeddels-c-would-stop-telling-me-and

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004054952/https://www.tumblr.com/transandrophobiatruther/678668886509518849/trans-men-and-transmascs-did-not-wake-up-and

https://web.archive.org/web/20231004055059/https://www.tumblr.com/the-radio-host-is-a-kookaburra/724952553505374208/former-baeddels-we-cyberbullied-transmascs-and Fluxjupyter (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

You will get more hits if you search "baeddelism" than simply "baeddel" Fluxjupyter (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, in the absence of any further input and in the absence of "durable" cites, RFV-failed for now. Perhaps it will make it off tumblr and into "durable" media at some point. If we keep it we need to clarify how it's used, as in: did it originate as a 'genuine' term or is it a clovergender situation, and is it a self-description or a term used by others, and is it used by trans people or by transphobes? etc. - -sche (discuss) 20:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)