Talk:beyond repair

SoP as noted before. Equinox ◑ 11:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2022–March 2023

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beyond repair

SoP, as pointed out by Equinox. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 23:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Delete as SOP. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Keep. This is a set phrase, so SoP as interpreted by the nominator is a fallacy. DonnanZ (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

There are many “set phrases” like this: beyond comprehension, beyond description, beyond help, beyond hope, beyond recognition, ... . Being a set phrase does not mean the phrase is idiomatic. In these cases, the meaning is each time IMO a transparent combination of sense 6 of beyond and that of its object, as shown in the usex for sense 6: The patient was beyond medical help.  --Lambiam 20:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmm-yeah, I would only go for the more common ones, like this one. DonnanZ (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't even call them set phrases, you can substitute past (or also past the point of) as a synonym of beyond with no loss of meaning in each case so both parts are freely variable. They're just collocations. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Delete – SOP.  --Lambiam 10:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

"beyond help" is very common; "beyond hope", "beyond forgiveness", etc. are findable and not uncommon. I would delete. Give language-users some credit. We should also finally ban Donnanz from talk pages as a tongue without a brain. Equinox ◑ 07:33, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

??? @Equinox: This comment was hardly necessary, as I tend to ban myself. But as I created this entry, I am entitled to defend it. DonnanZ (talk) 09:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Delete as SoP. — Sgconlaw (talk) 11:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The vultures gathering for lunch might like to look at beyond#Preposition derived terms. DonnanZ (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

"Beyond redemption" and maybe "beyond belief" (though ?"past belief" sounds odd to me) are SOP for the same reason, but other than that the blue-linked terms there do in fact look like set phrases since they're either terms of art (e.g. beyond a reasonable doubt), the second part is used in a way it isn't otherwise (e.g. beyond one's pay grade), or the first part is invariable (e.g. beyond seas). This seems like a perfect use case for the collocations subheading in any case. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 16:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep per WT:LEMMING: in M-W. Tag as "sum of parts" via label if wished. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per Lambiam. Theknightwho (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. Binarystep (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

IMO, a stupid decision. Those who voted delete haven't covered themselves in glory. DonnanZ (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)