Talk:drill in

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drill in[edit]

This doesn't look like a phrasal verb to me. --Downunder 21:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Debatable, to drill does mean in sports, to hit the ball/puck hard. So that could be drill + in. How about the sense drill something into someone? That would surely meet CFI. So... not sure. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
In sports one could "drill a ball/shot/puck/serve/ace/liner/line drive/drive/spiral/pass/rocket/fastball", all with a sense that seems basically the same to me, whatever the sport. Usually this would be followed by a prepositional phrase with an adverbial function. But one-word adverbs like "fair", "foul", "out" (out of bounds). I find it hard to see how "in" is different or that any of these cause a semantic change. Delete. DCDuring TALK 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Definition is inaccurate, you can drill the ball in and not score - it might be saved or blocked on the line. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
It's a phrasal verb because in doesn't have an object. Keep but correct definition. DAVilla 06:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Is that a sufficient condition? That would seem to indicate that any verb followed by any word that can be both adverb and preposition is a phrasal verb. We have never had the benefit of any adequate definition of what a phrasal verb was, let alone criteria. DCDuring TALK 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
If in is an adverb in this case, then which sense applies? DAVilla 18:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
in#Adverb sense 2 is the best wording we have for it. DCDuring TALK 21:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
In that case I'm not so sure. DAVilla 06:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Keep. --Dan Polansky 08:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Why? DCDuring TALK 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Delete. The sense of drill used here does not require the word "in," and neither does "in" change the sense. Pingku 14:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
So how do you explain the existence of that particle? The up in grow up, tear up, wake up doesn't do anything either, nor out in trying out something new. DAVilla 18:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
I would explain it away as an optional adjunct in this case, adding some precision to "drill". "Out" and a vast number of prepositional phrases could also add analogous precision. I would argue that up changes the meaning by changing the lexical aspect of the associated verb in at least grow up and tear up. There is an element of completion (telicity ?) to the growing in the phrasal verbs not present in the verbs without the particle, just as in the use of explain away vs explain in the first sentence. DCDuring TALK 21:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


deleted -- Liliana 22:57, 18 February 2012 (UTC)