Talk:esipikkuaivo
Latest comment: 13 years ago by -sche in topic RFV
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Tagged for speedy deletion; I moved it here as it is a question of attestation. --Mglovesfun (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- aivot by itself means brain, and is a plurale tantum. I imagine all the terms derived from it are, as well. So I don't think the singular form exists. (I've added an etymology to the plural entry) —CodeCat 14:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. The entry for aivo is a redirect to aivot (“brain”), because the word does not exist in singular. However, I think it's justified to keep aivo as redirect, because somebody not too familiar with the language might want to look it up. Also, the singular is used as modifier in compound terms, e.g. aivolohko, aivokäyrä. However, anybody who needs the word esipikkuaivot (archicerebellum) must be advanced enough to know that aivot and thus esipikkuaivot is a plurale tantum, and at least I'm not aware of compound terms in which esipikkuaivo- would be used as modifier. --Hekaheka 14:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- A redirect would be better than deleting it. Finnish grammar is regular enough that someone might see an unfamiliar word, try to 'undo' its declension, end up with aivo or (assuming consonant gradation) aipo. And then they might try to look that up, because dictionaries generally don't list inflected forms. A regular Finnish paper dictionary would list aivot where aivo would be, but we don't have that luxury on Wiktionary. So I think it would be a good idea to give the users a little hint in the right direction somehow. A redirect is good, but we can't always redirect (if the entry is used for other words). —CodeCat 15:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- Then perhaps we should add redirects for väliaivo (väliaivot), pikkuaivo (pikkuaivot), iso aivo (isot aivot), housu (housut (“trousers”)) etc. Another aspect is that a horde of net dictionaries uses Wiktionary as a source and any incorrect expression we have spreads all over the cyberspace. Thirdly, esipikkuaivot is no more part of everyday language than archicerebellum, and likelihood of anyone ever looking for its singular form is iota. If it ever happens, there will be only one alternative left in the search drop down list long before he has finished writing e-s-i-p-i-k-k-u-" in it. --Hekaheka 18:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- Not everyone searches for words using the search drop-down box though. I don't... —CodeCat 12:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Then perhaps we should add redirects for väliaivo (väliaivot), pikkuaivo (pikkuaivot), iso aivo (isot aivot), housu (housut (“trousers”)) etc. Another aspect is that a horde of net dictionaries uses Wiktionary as a source and any incorrect expression we have spreads all over the cyberspace. Thirdly, esipikkuaivot is no more part of everyday language than archicerebellum, and likelihood of anyone ever looking for its singular form is iota. If it ever happens, there will be only one alternative left in the search drop down list long before he has finished writing e-s-i-p-i-k-k-u-" in it. --Hekaheka 18:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- A redirect would be better than deleting it. Finnish grammar is regular enough that someone might see an unfamiliar word, try to 'undo' its declension, end up with aivo or (assuming consonant gradation) aipo. And then they might try to look that up, because dictionaries generally don't list inflected forms. A regular Finnish paper dictionary would list aivot where aivo would be, but we don't have that luxury on Wiktionary. So I think it would be a good idea to give the users a little hint in the right direction somehow. A redirect is good, but we can't always redirect (if the entry is used for other words). —CodeCat 15:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Esipikkuaivot is a very rare word. I can understand aivo as a redirect but not this one. By the way , why are there two search boxes in the main page? --Makaokalani 12:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. The entry for aivo is a redirect to aivot (“brain”), because the word does not exist in singular. However, I think it's justified to keep aivo as redirect, because somebody not too familiar with the language might want to look it up. Also, the singular is used as modifier in compound terms, e.g. aivolohko, aivokäyrä. However, anybody who needs the word esipikkuaivot (archicerebellum) must be advanced enough to know that aivot and thus esipikkuaivot is a plurale tantum, and at least I'm not aware of compound terms in which esipikkuaivo- would be used as modifier. --Hekaheka 14:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- Struck. Was deleted by Jyril in July. - -sche (discuss) 03:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've added a usage note such that searches for esipikkuaivo will find (it mentioned in) esipikkuaivot. - -sche (discuss) 01:26, 25 August 2011 (UTC)