Talk:filk

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The hits at b.g.c. suggests this is a common scanning error for milk (somehow.) --Connel MacKenzie 03:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

All the ones I see are scannos for silk. But if you search on filk music you'll find lots of uses. Robert Ullmann 17:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm only familiar with the "parody" usage, which to me is independent of the science fiction/fantasy context. The references in the Wikipedia article w:Filk music suggest that the main sense should be verifiable. Thryduulf 09:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
If you read only the Wikipedia page, yes you can easily get that impression. But there don't seem to be supporting uses; only that one secondary source. --Connel MacKenzie 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Huh? I don't follow? The 'pedia page gives plenty of sources. I'll confess to a bit of filk singing meself at an SF convention. (Don't know about the Photoshop sense.) Robert Ullmann 17:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction gives numerous citations for the word filk: the noun is cited as early as 1953; the verb sense of writing or performing a filk is cited as early as 1978. The information about it being an error for folk pertains to the original etymology of its 1953 use. That is, the word originated as a typo, but has since become a word in its own right. I'm not sure how milk comes into this. --EncycloPetey 00:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Both noun and adj (look for filk science fiction at bgc for noun, filk song for adj.) Also for more history, see [1]. I looked at this rfv several times thinking folks surely *must* have been discussing the photoshop def. ArielGlenn 06:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Photoshop sense RFV failed, removed. I'm working on citing the musicky sense, because I know it exists and I don't want to delete it. —RuakhTALK 01:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Now cited and RFV passed. This can also be used as a verb ("filking" gets plenty of b.g.c. hits), but we can get to that later. —RuakhTALK 01:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

definitions[edit]

I've added several senses and subcategories to the definition. My credentials are that I am an active filker and a professional linguist (language scientist). Thnidu 04:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure the entry could use some improvement, but we try not to show attributive use of a noun as a separate part of speech. We use simple tests of gradability and comparability to attest to a headword that is a noun being also an adjective for this purpose. I suspect that filk would fail such a test.

If it cannot be shown to be a "true" adjective, we would need to:

  1. have a fuller definition of the noun than we now have;
  2. move the adjective citations either to the citations page or to the Noun section; and
  3. delete the adjective section. DCDuring TALK 12:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

RFC discussion: June 2007–November 2009[edit]

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filk

Tagged but not listed. --Connel MacKenzie 21:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Has been cleaned up --Volants 13:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)