Talk:frost-blite
Latest comment: 2 years ago by -sche in topic RFV discussion: November–December 2021
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Rfv-sense: A plant of the genus Atriplex; orache. Sorry for not searching for this properly, and feel free to tell me off... MooreDoor (talk) 20:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Searching for this + "orach" or "Atriplex" suggests this is probably real(?), but finding uses in running text may be tedious. - -sche (discuss) 09:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- @-sche: The problem is that the genera Chenopodium and Atriplex are related and older works call lamb's quarters Atriplex silvestris, among other names. A lot of this usage dates to a time when taxonomy was less developed and there was a lot of variation in naming. A reference to frost blite as a species of Atriplex can easily be just a reference to lamb's quarters. And it's not just the taxonomic names: here, for instance, lamb's quarters is refered to as "the [Chenopodium] album, common Orach or Frost Blite". I suspect that both senses are referring to the same thing, just expressed differently. Chuck Entz (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- Aha! Looking into it more closely I'm convinced you're right, since sources which identify frost-blite as orach often specify (er, genify? lol) it as Chenopodium, and even though some identify it as an Atriplex orach, James Smith's English Flora seems to clinch that the Atriplex orach frost-blite and Chenopodium album are the same plant. I've merged the senses. RFV-resolved? - -sche (discuss) 18:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- @-sche: The problem is that the genera Chenopodium and Atriplex are related and older works call lamb's quarters Atriplex silvestris, among other names. A lot of this usage dates to a time when taxonomy was less developed and there was a lot of variation in naming. A reference to frost blite as a species of Atriplex can easily be just a reference to lamb's quarters. And it's not just the taxonomic names: here, for instance, lamb's quarters is refered to as "the [Chenopodium] album, common Orach or Frost Blite". I suspect that both senses are referring to the same thing, just expressed differently. Chuck Entz (talk) 10:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)