Talk:introit
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RfV-sense for three senses not supported by the OED:
- A part of a psalm or other portion of the Scripture read by the priest at Mass immediately after ascending to the altar.
- An anthem or psalm sung before the Communion service.
- Any composition of vocal music appropriate to the opening of church services.
These being listed in the entry alongside the following, which is the closest one of these four senses to the third sense listed by the OED:
- A psalm sung or chanted immediately before the collect, epistle, and gospel, and while the priest is entering within the rails of the altar.
It may be better to fuse these senses into fewer than we presently have, if verification efforts fail to yield clear distinctions along the lines laid out in the entry. † ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 19:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- RFV failed, senses removed. Thanks for your research. Please feel free to restore-and-fuse, if you believe that to be appropriate. —RuakhTALK 15:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, that’s fine. We’d need a good collection of citations on which to base any clarification of senses at this point. Moreover, that is work far better done by someone familiar with introïts, IMO. † ﴾(u):Raifʻhār (t):Doremítzwr﴿ 03:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Removed senses
[edit]I removed two senses which were in fact just rephrasings of the original sense, maybe from lack of familiarity with the old liturgy:
- "A psalm sung or chanted immediately before the collect, epistle, and gospel, and while the priest is entering within the rails of the altar, which begins with the line “Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine” (“Grant them eternal rest, O Lord”)."
- This is simply the introit of a requiem mass, not a separate sense. The introit is always by definition "before the collect, epistle, and gospel" (though not immediately since at least the Kyrie will be said/sung in between, including at a requiem mass).
- "The first few words of the office (“daily service”) for a particular day, sometimes used to refer to the day."
- The office or daily service referred to in the quotations, as the second one says explicitly, is the mass. The introit is always the first part of the mass proper.
—Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)