Talk:okutoii

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okutoii

This is an SOP entry consisting of three elements: おく (oku) + と (to) + いい (ii).

Idiomatically, おく ("to lay or place something") comes after the て　(te) form of a verb to give the sense that one is [verb]ing in preparation for something else -- doing it and leaving it (for some future purpose). The particle と (to) after a verb means "whenever one [verb]s". いい (ii) just means "good". As a construct, と (to) + いい (ii) after a verb literally means "whenever one [verb]s, it's good" -- extrapolated, this imparts the sense that one should do [verb] or that [verb]ing would be a good idea. Putting the whole shebang of おく (oku) + と (to) + いい (ii) after a verb would mean that it would be a good idea for one to [verb] in preparation for some future eventuality -- all of which is discernible from its parts.

Although this takes a bit of explanation, the whole combined phrase of おく (oku) + と (to) + いい (ii) is by no means a suffix as the okutoii entry currently has it, and given its intrinsic SOP-ness, I do not think the entry merits inclusion. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

The term て (-te) + おくがいい (oku ga ii) is worth inclusion, IMHO, but not as a suffix. It doesn't seem to be very common, though. --Anatoli 23:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

この表現を知っておくといいかも？ :) --Anatoli 23:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, oku ga ii still looks to be awfully SOP to me. What about おく (oku) + が (ga) + いい (ii) is sufficiently non-SOP to be worth including? I'm open to persuasion, I just don't see it myself.  :)

For example, google:"おくが便利"+-wiki shows some use of this different combination (albeit just on the web at large), indicating that -te form + おく (oku) + が (ga) is not necessarily followed by いい (ii), and suggesting that oku ga ii is not a set phrase. Some of those hits also show -te form + おく (oku) + が (ga) + comma + 便利 (benri), and looking at the context shows that the writers in question view -te form + おく (oku) + が (ga) as the subject, clearly so indicated by the ga subject particle, and indicated too by the comma to mark a break before the rest of the sentence, a common rhythm pattern in Japanese. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete, sum of parts as explained by Eirikr. Oboete-oku seems slightly more worthy of a entry. Fugyoo 23:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

• Delete : okuto + ii. You can also say okuto benri da, etc. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 09:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
• Delete, might be useful to a learner but is basically SOP and not idiomatic enough. It might be appropriate as a usage example under oku--I'd say salvage that bit and then delete. Besides I don't feel like making okutobenri and whatever other variations there are. Haplology 14:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Deleted. Haplology 12:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)