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Determiner, example 6[edit]

Well, at least some came. You can only justify an analysis of "some" as determiner here, if you assume an ellipsis ("some people came"). This would border to poetic license, I guess. Thus "some" needs to be an w:indefinite pronoun in this case! -- 14:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. For now, I have removed the example, because it is at least confusing as the sole example. I believe that what the example contained an illustration of what grammarians call a "fused head" construction. The specific variety using "some" is discussed on page 414 of the CGEL.
I am not sure that the sense is really distinct from the others, though its addition probably indicates intelligibility/clarity problems in the wording of the other senses. I actually think of "some" as meaning at least two, probably because I would expect the past perfect to be "some have come", not *"some has come". I would think the use "at least one" to be deceptive. DCDuring TALK 16:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Determiner, quotation at sense 1[edit]

University brands built in some cases over centuries have been forced to contemplate the possibility that[…]

I'm having difficulty with the above sentence, which looks like it has two verbs, "build" and "be" ( in "have been forced"). IMO, that's not an desirable quotation. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Is it clearer if I add some optional words? "University brands that have been built, in some cases, over the course of many centuries, have been forced to..." Equinox 22:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is, along with the commas, thank you. --Jerome Potts (talk) 00:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Alternative pronunciations[edit]

John Wells mentions that this word has a weak form /səm/ ([səm], [sm̩]), and that for some speakers it may undergo assimilation (/səŋ kaɪnd əv/). Worth including? — Ungoliant (falai) 13:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

RFC discussion: December 2015[edit]

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See Talk:some#Determiner, quotation at sense 1. Thanks in advance, --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The usage example is clear enough, isn't it? I agree that the quotation is too damned long for a quick understanding of how some is being used. Furthermore only the expression in some cases, which is not even grammatically essential in the sentence, gives any good context. Some would be better illustrated in an NP that was the subject or object of a verb. DCDuring TALK 23:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
User Equinox helped me there. To answer your question, no, the usage example is not clear. --Jerome Potts (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
We probably have to revisit the determiner L3 section. I don't feel up to it now and may never. DCDuring TALK 00:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)