Talk:ts-girl
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Both senses are simply [[TS]] + [[girl]]: TS (“transsexual”) + girl (“woman of any age”) and TS (“Tourette syndrome, or other syndome abbreviated TS”) + girl (“young female human”). As shown by the citations I've added to [[TS]] and more that are available on G Books and Usenet, both senses of "TS" are also used with "man", "lady", "boy", "woman", etc... and as the entry [[girl]] notes, "girl" can be used alone or in combinations to refer to an adult woman. Note that the entry previously claimed that a "TS girl" could also be transgender, but I removed that because (a) I could find no convincing proof of that on G Books or Groups (if it's reinstated I will RFV it) and (b) I did find things that suggested that "TS" could be expanded to include "transgender", which would mean even the old definition was SOP. - -sche (discuss) 20:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sense 2 in particular seems rather disingenuous and clunky. We could replace it with the &lit template, but I doubt the usefulness of having it at all. Equinox ◑ 20:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sense 2 looks like a windup to me. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- This is one I created quite a while back because it was listed at WT:REE and I wanted to help with the backlog. Sense 2 was a good-faith attempt to account for the numerous citations I found which use "TS girl" to refer to a young female patient with Tourette syndrome or Turner syndrome. I thought that only featuring the LGBT slang sense in the entry might erroneously create the impression that those citations were referring to transsexual/transgendered persons, and that's something I wanted to avoid, given the sensitivity that gender identity issues hold for some. I can understand if this was excessively cautious and misguided thinking on my part, but it definitely wasn't "disingenuous" or a "windup."
- The line between "transgender" and "transsexual" is vague and somewhat ill-defined. The words are often used interchangeably, but some have a strong preference for one over the other. transwoman and its coordinate terms use both in their definitions, so it seemed prudent to me at the time to follow suit, rather than seem to give preferential treatment to one word.
- That said, I don't really care one way or another about retaining Sense 2, but I think Sense 1 arguably qualifies as a set phrase. We have little girl and baby girl, both of which have relatively transparent meanings. But, overall, this is not one I feel particularly strongly about. Astral (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- If we can attest ts-girl ala t-girl, that would make it seem more like a set phrase than SOP. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sense 2 looks like a windup to me. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've detagged TS girl as kept per COALMINE. I've deleted ts-girl as Astral's note that it seems entirely unattested. (If you want to restore the entry and RFV it, feel free.) - -sche (discuss) 03:35, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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As above, presumably. Or on a Gerald Gardnerian note: as above, so below. ;) - -sche (discuss) 20:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- See the discussion about TS girl for information about how this entry was handled and why. - -sche (discuss) 03:33, 20 September 2013 (UTC)