Thesaurus talk:stick

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This is a lovely list of 条 but the English word "stick" does not ever include the idea of metal nails or needles; nor does it include the entire trunk of a tree; nor does it include writing implements like markers and quills. Having some items that can or often are metal is no excuse for including items that are never subsumed by the concept of "stick", any more than having "walking stick" means we should include "walker" or "hiking boots".

If the following terms are going to be included, this page needs to be moved elsewhere (possibly bar?):

• highlighter
• knitting needles
• marker
• nail
• needle
• pen    [⇒ thesaurus]
• pin
• screw
• trunk

Fwiw, the writing utensils, architectural beams, and sailing spars should probably be shunted off regardless of where the page ends up, as they're entirely separate concepts. — LlywelynII 05:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... thinking about it more, a pole might be a kind of stick but various kinds of poles (such as the sailing spars) really wouldn't be. Perhaps a move to Wikisaurus:rod or Wikisaurus:shaft is in order, which would permit the return of items like nails and pens... Right now, Wiktionary thinks that rods need to be round, but the OED doesn't agree. Planks and boards probably still don't count but then they really shouldn't be here, either. — LlywelynII 06:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The word "stick" is just a convenient approximate headword; the sense is "any solid thing that is long, thin and rigid". --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

And even if some of the hyponyms were not really hyponyms of "any solid thing that is long, thin and rigid" but were close enough, they should better be moved to "Various" section, the point being to help people find words. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Calling a "trunk" a stick seems downright wrong to me. Same for "nail" and "screw". —suzukaze (t・c) 12:58, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

That's why I said "approximate headword". But if it is insisted that the headword has to fit very closely, then we can change the definition and move the questioned items to Various section for maximum accuracy. Or we can move this page to WS:solid, long, thin, ridig thing, or say that solid is implied and move this to WS:long, thin, ridig thing. Or come up with another idea. This was intended to be a broad class of objects based on their overall shape and rigidity (not a rope), and the resulting selection seems to be an interesting one. Again, the Various section makes it possible to combine accuracy with being able to show the broader neighborhood of the word set. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2016 (UTC)