User talk:39.122.78.101

The issue is that the Seoul standard dialect here is not quite the same thing as the SK standard language. For example, recently it has come to mark the merger of <ㅐ> and <ㅔ>. This is effectively standard in South Korea (and has been for the past half-century), hence my use of the term "Seoul Standard", but it is not technically part of the formally defined standard pronunciation in ROK law which is still stuck in 1948.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, the issue should be solved and we can just go back to "Seoul" if the module can be recoded to accommodate other dialects (even manually inputted) below Seoul.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

On second thought, I have made this edit, taking your point into account.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Busan

I've added the relevant part in Module:accent qualifier/data, could you please reformat 거기 (geogi) so I know what to do? Thanks in advance!--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 08:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Gyeongsang location

Thank you so much for your edits! For Gyeongsang pronunciations, would it be possible for you to give the exact city (Busan, Changwon, Daegu, Jinju, etc.)? Thanks in advance!--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 09:59, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Karaeng Matoaya: According to Korean papers on the Gyeongsang language (부산의 지역어와 언어 문화, 경상북도 방언 연구의 현 단계와 상주 방언의 특징), there are 4 types:

• Gyeongsang (경상)

• South Gyeongsang (경남 Gyeongnam)

• Eastern of South Gyeongsang (경남동부: Yangsan, Gimhae, Miryang)
• Western of South Gyeongnam (경남서부)

• Eastern (중서동부: Changwon, Sacheon, Goseong)
• Western (중서서부: Geochang, Hamyang, Hadong)

• North Gyeongsang (경북 Gyeongbuk)

• middle-eastern of North Gyeongsang (경북중동부)

• Eastern (경북중동동부: Uljin, Andong, Gyeongju)
• Western (경북중동서부: Chilgok, Seongju, Goryeong), and western of North Gyeongsang (경북서부: Mungyeong, Sangju, Seonsan)

There are phonological differences between North and South Gyeongsang, but it is similar within each groups. So, I think that we do not need to write city name there. 39.122.78.101 16:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, my concern is that the Gyeongsang dialect zone actually has a great deal of phonological variation, so a blanket "Gyeongsang dialect" label is not sufficiently detailed, especially given how precise the provided IPA is. Within South Gyeongsang, for example, Hadong traditionally has a eight-vowel system, Jinju has a seven-vowel system, and Changwon has a six-vowel system (경남방언 분화연구, p. 34). There are traditionally dialectal differences in realization even within a single city or county.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 17:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I have not read the book yet. But as you know, the phonological differences also depend on ages. 39.122.78.101 20:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Certainly, but some precision is still better than none. Generational differences could be marked by, e.g. {{q|traditional Busan}} to imply that younger speakers might be less traditional on the pronunciation.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

To get back to this, could you mark what place the IPA transcription is from on 널찌다 (neoljjida) and 널쭈다 (neoljjuda) please? Are they just Busan speech?--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 04:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)