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Italian pronunciations

I have reverted your changes to words like casa and zucchero where you switched [z] to [s] and [dz] to [ts]. Please do not edit war over this. All of the current pronunciations involving [z] and [dz] are well-sourced to Canepari's "Dizionario di Pronuncia Italiana". The pronunciations involving [s] and [ts] are prescriptive pronunciations that no longer reflect the standard. Wiktionary is a descriptive dictionary, not a prescriptive dictionary; i.e. we report what people actually say rather than what some grammarians think they should say. You will note that all of the older pronunciations with [s] and [ts] are in fact included and marked as "traditional", exactly as in Canepari's pronunciation dictionary. Benwing2 (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

The Italian language is a standard (or standardized) language. Namely all the Nation-State languages are so.

I understand the political quarrel between being a prescriptist or a descriptivist - that is similar to that you can find among a socialist or a liberal - but the point here is to "tell stuff about languages (and their pronunciations)".

I am a Southern Italian speaker and I speak currently with the so called standard pronunciation of zucchero, so would you mind if I describe something different from your mentioned source?

To understand the Italian languages in XXI century we can not base our beliefs on "someone is saying something descriptivist, so this is much more laudable than the "prescriptivist" perspective".

I say /t͡suk.ke.ro/ in Italian and /ˈt͡sukːʊɾʊ/ in Sicilian, now tell me how should I describe my pronunciations because the edit war is not already started, but I want to see how the logico-philosophical one will end.

A pluralistic and tolerant approach would allow to include all the variants confirming the origin of the pronunciation and its eventual evolutions, but it's funny how you come to tell me, a native speaker, how I should understand my pronunciation and the community in which I live. Then it is funny how the one subtly described as prescriptivist it would be me. <span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><b>[[Utente:Scorpios|<span style="color:oucrimsonred">Σκορ</span>]][[Discussioni utente:Scorpios|<span style="color:darkblue">πιός</span>]] (talk) 11:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I recently found rosario where you changed [z] to [s] once again. Even Treccani says [z] here. I have no idea where you got [s] but it's incorrect. Please (a) do not edit war over this, (b) cite your sources and don't make changes if you don't have a source for it. Also, if you feel the need to list pronunciations with [s], make sure you do not remove the other pronunciation but add them *WITH A QUALIFIER* indicating where this pronunciation exists. Benwing2 (talk) 05:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Likewise for -esimo. All meanings of this word have [z] in both Treccani and DiPI. I suspect maybe your particular speech doesn't have [z] in it? If it does, then you must not know what you're doing because these pronunciations aren't sourceable. Benwing2 (talk) 05:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Benwing2 given that the institutional sources of my country seem to be corrupted only towards a regional side and given that I find myself having to read here on the Wiktionary several mispronunciations in almost all those words that convey certain phonemes, I will proceed with the definition of qualifiers to differentiate the original pronunciations from those artificially imposed also on the generality of the other pronunciations.

Having said that, oral sources are quite well documented online, on any medium capable of conveying and transporting sound and spoken communication. Anyway, Rosario is a person's name that derives from the noun of the same name and both appear to be quite well attested as being pronounced with an unvoiced s, except for those areas of Italy where there is a tendency to sonorize them and in general we are speaking of areas in which a Gallo-Italic substrate is present. For this and other socio-linguistic reasons, Treccani appears to be only one written source (among the myriad available), which for the record is still a government body today, unlike the Wiktionary. Scorpios90 (talk) 20:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Sicilian IPA

Ciao! Ho visto il tuo messaggio sulla discussione nel BP. Anch'io come te sto cercando di valorizzare il siciliano sull'en.wikt, iniziando dallo standardizzare (e se possibile automatizzare) le sezioni di pronuncia. Ho sviluppato una bozza, per ciò che poi sarà (si spera) la pagina Appendix:Sicilian pronunciation, ora vuota. Mi farebbe piacere se gli dessi un'occhiata e ne contribuissi, dandomi qualche dritta, tecnica, linguistica o estetica che sia. Catonif (talk) 17:29, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Ciao, scusa il ritardo nel risponderti.

Ho visto la tua bozza e ti dico subito che mi sembra abbastanza interessante, oltreché utile.

Se ti va possiamo sentirci via Tg per parlare più approfonditamente di alcune cose sul siciliano. Cercami [@]hyakunigiri.

<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><b>[[Utente:Scorpios|<span style="color:oucrimsonred">Σκορ</span>]][[Discussioni utente:Scorpios|<span style="color:darkblue">πιός</span>]] (talk) 01:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation note

Hello, I just wanted to point out that for translations of Romance adjectives, there's no need to include genders or inflected forms. So at intelligent, I changed * Sicilian: {{t+|scn|ntilliggenti|m|m-p|f|f-p}}, {{t|scn|spertu|m}}, {{t|scn|sperta|f}} to * Sicilian: {{t+|scn|ntilliggenti}}, {{t|scn|spertu}}. We want to avoid cluttering translation tables with links to non-lemma forms and genders that can be assumed (for adjectives at least). Ultimateria (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)