Talk:Adam and Eve

RFD discussion: August–November 2017

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Adam and Eve

Proper noun sense, and all the translations as well. Simply Adam + and + Eve. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Delete, also translations. --Hekaheka (talk) 08:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Is there an English equivalent to German bei Adam und Eva anfangen? --Peter Gröbner (talk) 08:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

reinvent the wheel, perhaps? I guess that's slightly different. At any rate, I can't think of an idiom that mentions Adam and Eve, except for Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:04, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

No, that is often used in German (das Rad neu erfinden) but means something different. bei Adam und Eva anfangen refers to lengthy boring speeches or discussions. Greetings, Peter Gröbner (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

bei Adam und Eva anfangen (to start at Adam and Eve) is similar to ab ovo (from the egg). -84.161.24.251 20:56, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Keep. I don't think anything will be achieved by deleting it, only if you're a non-believer. DonnanZ (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Purplebackpack89 20:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. See, e.g., 2004, Paul Collins, The Earthborn, p. 71. "In his own unique way, he was a radical—him and that sister of his, Lucida. Radicals with inbuilt longevity—a regular Adam and Eve who would add healthy genes to Earth's decaying gene pool". bd2412 T 21:27, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

If this can be attested, a new definition should be added. "Two humans, animals or anthropomorphized things who start a new generation that will result in a large population" or something. At least I wouldn't be surprised if some combination of products is called "the Adam and Eve of X" in hindsight.

• Here's animals: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-koss-where-are-the-worms-20170713-story.html

The next step would be to buy new, livelier dirt to fill the big hole I made. Then dump in my compost full of worms and hope they settle in, finding enough to eat so I won’t just be consigning them to a mass grave. I’d say, “Be the Adam and Eve of the underground! Go forth and multiply!

• And here you go, art: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958679,00.html The Adam and Eve of Modernism
• Apples: http://agro.biodiver.se/2016/05/the-adam-and-eve-of-apples/
• And now it's gone completely abstract and inanimate: https://aeroleads.com/blog/5-best-sales-prospecting-tips/

Sales prospecting is the first step of the sales funnel that comes before lead qualification or any of the sales activity. It is considered as the adam and eve of the sales cycle.

• In Dutch it's Adam en Eva and we have a TV-series called A'dam - E.V.A. in which the main characters are called Adam and Eva, but it also takes place in A'dam (short for Amsterdam) and the abbreviation E.V.A. also means "En Vele Anderen". (and many others) It seems to me these characters are very connected, but I can see your logic as well. Laurel and Hardy has no "comedy duo" definition either and Pluto doesn't seem to list any orange dogs. I'm not sure about this. W3ird N3rd (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
  • If we create a separate sense for the idiomatic use, we could use the literal use to the etymology. bd2412 T 22:58, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
    • Similar to Laurel and Hardy. I like it. A better definition will need to be written though (and proper citations provided) because my definition doesn't cover it entirely. Perhaps you (or someone else) could improve it, or write something better from scratch. W3ird N3rd (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Keep. PseudoSkull (talk) 07:40, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

• Was there ever a basic decision on whether fixed order of words in a regular construction constitutes idiomaticity per CFI? (It's Adam and Eve, not Eve and Adam.) Korn [kʰũːɘ̃n] (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
• RFD kept per consensus. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)