Talk:oatmeal drink

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oatmeal drink

Sum of parts — surely just a drink whose chief ingredient is oatmeal. — Pingku^dimmi 13:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

There you go using cultural and practical knowledge to construct meaning. So insensitive of you to fail to take into account the users from other cultures who would have to select from 3 meanings of (deprecated template usage) oatmeal and five senses of (deprecated template usage) drink. And that already excludes the readings using (deprecated template usage) drink.

Delete precisely to establish the precedent that encyclopedic definitions such as this do not afford protection to SoP entries. If necessary we should RfV this to make sure that every detail of the definition is conveyed by the dated Australian citations required by the context. DCDuring TALK 14:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Weak delete Contrary to what the article suggests, there is no one recipe for "oatmeal drink". A Google Book search finds oatmeal drink defined as "oatmeal and barley water", "whiskey and oatmeal", "oatmeal, sugar and citrus fruits", "oatmeal and milk" and "the strained liquid from boiled oats". That said, the specific phrase "oatmeal drink", without an article "the" or "an", seems to have been used quite a bit during the temperance era, when it was marketed as an alternative to beer, and in books about labour and fitness. Eg: "cold tea, cold coffee, oatmeal-drink, are admirable substitutes for the unlimited strong drink that too often shows its evil effects just now.", "I have often since heard these men speak with great approbation of the supporting power of oatmeal drink", "A correspondent who takes a great interest in the cause of temperance requests us to publish a recipe for Oatmeal Drink by the lata Dr. Parkes", "we there made oatmeal drink for the glass- blowers, about one hundred quarts a day". I think there was an understanding of "oatmeal drink" as a set phrase, I just don't think it was enough that any reader couldn't immediately understand it as "drink made of oatmeal". Smurrayinchester (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Delete per Smurrayinchester. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 17:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Send to RfV. Neither "oatmeal" nor "drink" implies the inclusion of brown sugar in the definition, but the lone citation does not make it clear that this is definitional either. bd2412 T 16:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

  What do you think the odds are for finding such confirming citations? DCDuring TALK 17:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• I don't suppose this comment has any effect on the keepability or otherwise of this term, but I suspect that this is not "a drink whose chief ingredient is oatmeal"—that wouldn't be liquid enough to drink—but rather a drink whose characteristic ingredient is oatmeal but whose chief ingredient is water (like chocolate chip cookies, whose chief ingredient is flour, but whose characteristic ingredient is chocolate chips). —Angr 17:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

A drink whose main solid ingredient is oatmeal? Mglovesfun (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. Terms which follow the pattern of ingredient + type of food/beverage can impart basic information, but not details about other ingredients, preparation, consumption, etc. I think it would be beneficial to set specific inclusion guidelines for food and beverage terms. We've got entries like pea soup, chocolate cake, iced tea, clam chowder, etc. which could potentially be deemed SoP, but are apparently uncontroversial (based on the fact they haven't been nominated for deletion). Thus I think it would be helpful to have criteria that could be referred to in order to determine whether a particular food or beverage term is SoP. Astral (talk) 03:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I think that there is also a degree of set phrase recognition going on with these. Clam soup and pea chowder would be correct descriptions, but would not be the phrases actually used to identify the thing in question. bd2412 T 03:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Good point. I still think it might be worthwhile to set guidelines on what qualifies food and beverage terms as set phrases. It would simplify the process of determining includability. Astral (talk) 04:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Deleted. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 03:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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seems salvageable as an idiomatic item of gastronomy if the definition is correct.Lucifer (talk) 23:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Closed. Entry failed RFD. — Ungoliant ^(Falai) 03:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)