Talk:strijderin

RFV discussion: March–April 2015

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strijderin

Dutch would-be word defined to mean female warrior. I request attesting quotations meeting WT:ATTEST; for newbies: links to dictionaries do not count as attesting quotations. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• google books:strijderin gets a fair number of hits, but I don't read Dutch well enough to know if any of them are scannos for strijder in or if those that aren't scannos actually mean "female warrior". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • A more tight search is google books:"strijderin", with quotation marks. I did use this search, and I did click on a couple of the found items to see the scans, to find nothing that looks like an attesting quotations. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:13, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I found a quotation at http://www.maroc.nl/forums/wie-schrijft-blijft/167041-k%E9nk%E9r.html#post2496103

Ey, ik ben ook een Berber strijderin hoor. Net als mijn baasje.

and durably archived it.

Maybe it isn't a would-be word and it has just been on a long vacation. I found two mentions which seems to indicatie earlier uses (possible so early that we consider them Middle Dutch):

1. Ernst Zeydelaar (1781) mentions it "[...] Vaderin (voor Moeder) Gemalin, Strijderin, Gezellin en Gezelle, Verleiderin voor Verleidster, [...]" and doesn't feel the need to explain the meaning.
2. Barthold H. Lulofs, Arie de Jager (1857) "[...] het thans wat Hoogduitschachtig schijnende lezerIN bezigt, gelijk men (volgens HUYDEKOPER) oudtijds zelfs heilandin, tirannin, strijderin, besluiterin, rechterin, apostelin enz. bezigde."

Unfortunately, google books:"ftryderin" gives only a scanno for ſtryder in. --80.114.178.7 01:38, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

And it's too old, see http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/huyd001proe01_01/huyd001proe01_01_0012.php page 306

de Schryver van den Gulden Troen 1386. als fol. 6. c. Biecht is - een striderinne tegens den bosen geest, een besluterinne der hellen.

I'm not sure whether 1386 is the year, http://gtb.inl.nl/iWDB/search?wdb=MNW&actie=article&uitvoer=HTML&id=55824 gives

Biecht is een striderinne tegens den bosen geest, Gulden Troon 7c., Holland, 1484

Anyway, 1484 is also too early. --80.114.178.7 03:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Based on the citations above, the entry should be converted to ==Middle Dutch==. - -sche (discuss) 23:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

It should also be moved. The Middle Dutch form is striderinne. —CodeCat 00:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

RFV-failed as modern Dutch; moved to striderinne and converted to Middle Dutch. - -sche (discuss) 22:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

RFD

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== strijderin ==

This word has been rdf for quite a while.

The normal feminine form for warrior/fighter stijder is strijdster in Dutch and I had never heard of strijderin. Goolge produces mostly omitted spaces in the combination "strijder in ..", but WNT does mention it as "unsual" in an article from 1925, and there is a few hits from around 1800 that say the same and mention strijderse as another unusual and archaic alternative. Perhaps keep, but mention as rare and archaic? Gunmhoine (talk) 04:23, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• I created WT:RFV#strijderin to see whether it is attested per WT:ATTEST. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleted (well, moved) per the linked-to RFV. - -sche (discuss) 22:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)