Template talk:welcome

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untitled[edit]

We really ought to have something like this customized for experienced Wikipedians, new to the whole different world of Wiktionary. --Connel MacKenzie 14:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

a critique and a query[edit]

A couple things which I think can be changed in the following:

By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page.
  • On the default "skin" (I guess you call it), I don't see "Talk", I see "discussion". Therefore, I would add "(discussion)" after "Talk" in the first sentence.
  • The only vote pages I have seen are those for administrators. I would eliminate the voting reference from the welcome greeting and include a reference on the administrator page that anyone can vote for administrators.
  • We like people to use four tildes, instead of three, in order to see the date and time. Therefore, eliminate the three tilde option.

These changes, so far, produces:

By the way, you can sign your name on Talk (discussion) pages using four tildes (~~~~), which automatically produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page.
  • In the last sentence, I would add a reference to the Index because I think it has become more useful over the past month or so. But others might feel this isn't quite ready yet, and I can also agree with that statement, since I don't feel as though I am completely finished with it.
  • Finally, the "ask me on my" brings me to the discussion below. I would like a variant of this to say "Dvortygirl" (if she is willing) which I would use on all odd-numbered days, and "[enter name of another volunteer administrator]" which I would use on all even-numbered days.

I believe that a newcomer should be welcomed by an administrator. I believe that's an administrator's job. But, it's not being done. So, since I believe it is very important to greet new people and make them feel welcomed here, I would like permission to welcome them with this standard welcome template. But I really don't feel qualified to answer their questions. I still feel like (and am) a newbie myself. That's why I wanted to use a variant template with an administrator's name - that way newcomers get the greeting timely (by my standards). Just one of those things that's been bugging me. Thanks for listening.

Cheers,

--Stranger 02:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I've been thinking about it more. It is much more valuable to have a personal message - if you need help see me - instead of the impersonal - if you need help see someone else. I should assume I am the more experienced of the two of us. If s/he comes to me with a query that's over my head (regardless of how many that might be) I can refer it to an administrator. I think getting a personalized message is far more friendly and more valuable. Therefore, I would propose changing the last paragraph of the welcome message to:
By the way, you can sign your name on Talk (discussion) pages using four tildes (~~~~), which automatically produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page.
Cheers, --Stranger 23:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Mention Babel template?[edit]

Wouldn’t it be nice to mention the {{Babel}} template and suggest people use it on their user page? Since this is a multi-language dictionary, this information can come in handy. So that would be a link to Wiktionary:Babel. henne 09:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

ELE / CFI[edit]

Given the frequency with which we refer to "ELE" and "CFI" on discussion pages, I've added a note about those initialisms to the welcome message. --EncycloPetey 04:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

subst:[edit]

Is it correct to substitute this template? Outdated welcome messages don't need to be updated, do they? DAVilla 02:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I should have thought subst'ing it is ok, the chance of Wiktionary changing that much are slim. I don't though - I spent an hour or so when removing the WS: shortcuts chugging through User_talk: pages where they had been welcomed with them. Conrad.Irwin 12:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice that a bot went through, swapping {{welcome}} for {{subst:welcome}}. I was thinking of doing the same, although I'm not convinced it serves a great purpose. I suppose the idea is historical accuracy - preserve the welcome as it was when they received the welcome, not how it is now. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The way I figure, if someone uses the template without substing it, he wants it to update over time, so it shouldn't be substed. I always subst welcome messages when I post them myself.​—msh210 18:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I suspect they just haven't thought about it as much as all that. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
You'd be wrong (at least in my case). :p. Conrad.Irwin 18:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I placed a Usage section in the documentation subpage of this template with the note of the subst parameter. The change doesn't function tho as it doesn't show in the template's namespace. Is this how is it supposed to work? --BiblbroX дискашн 06:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow...[edit]

This is my suggested change of the template. This is how the template currently stands:


Welcome!

Hello, welcome to Wiktionary, and thank you for your contribution so far. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

  • How to edit a page is a concise list of technical guidelines to the wiki format we use here: how to, for example, make text boldfaced or create hyperlinks. Feel free to practice in the sandbox. If you would like a slower introduction we have a short tutorial.
  • Entry layout explained (ELE) is a detailed policy documenting how Wiktionary pages should be formatted. All entries should conform to this standard, the easiest way to do this is to copy exactly an existing page for a similar word.
  • Our Criteria for inclusion (CFI) define exactly which words Wiktionary is interested in including. There is also a list of things that Wiktionary is not for a higher level overview.
  • The FAQ aims to answer most of your remaining questions, and there are several help pages that you can browse for more information.
  • We have discussion rooms in which you can ask any question about Wiktionary or its entries, a glossary of our technical jargon, and some hints for dealing with the more common communication issues.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! If you have any questions, bring them to the Wiktionary:Information desk, or ask me on my talk page. If you do so, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~ which automatically produces your username and the current date and time.

Again, welcome!



This is how it should be:


Welcome!

Hello, welcome to Wiktionary, and thank you for your contributions so far. I hope you like the place, and plan to stay. Here are a few good links for you:

  • How to edit a page is a concise list of technical guidelines to the wiki format we use here: how to, for example, make text boldfaced or create hyperlinks. Feel free to practice in the sandbox. If you would like a slower introduction, we have a short tutorial.
  • Entry Layout Explained (ELE) is a detailed policy documenting how Wiktionary pages should be formatted. All entries should conform to this standard, the easiest way to do this is to copy exactly an existing page for a similar word.
  • Our criteria for inclusion (CFI) define exactly which words Wiktionary is interested in including. There is also a list of things that Wiktionary is not for a higher level overview.
  • The Frequently Asked Questions Desk aims to answer most of your remaining questions, and there are several help pages that you can browse for more information.
  • We have discussion rooms in which you can ask any question about Wiktionary or its entries, a glossary of our technical jargon, and some hints for dealing with the more common communication issues.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! If you have any questions, bring them to the information desk, or ask me on my talk page. If you do so, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~, which automatically produces your username and the current date and time.

Again, welcome!


(Note that the italicized words indicate the changes, additions, or deletions in the template.)

Please incorporate these changes, or consider doing so, as I am "locked" (not blocked) from doing so. Any help would be appreciated. An editor since 8.28.2011. 01:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I second the motion. Regards, --BiblbroX дискашн 19:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
"Frequently Asked Questions Desk"?​—msh210 (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps simply "Frequently Asked Questions page" instead? --BiblbroX дискашн 17:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I've put Since's proposed changes in a more readable form at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Ruakh/Test?diff=13830143. I'm actually not sure that I agree with even one of them. I certainly don't understand why the current version warrants a "Wow...", or why Since feels so confident about his/her proposal as to describe it as how the template "should be" without bothering to explain why. —RuakhTALK 17:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the diff! The only proposed change that makes sense to me is the one from "Our [[Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion|Criteria for inclusion]] (CFI) define" to "Our [[Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion|criteria for inclusion]] (CFI) define" (in the name of grammar). Perhaps Since can explain why the others should be effected.​—msh210 (talk) 04:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Babel[edit]

I'm thinking of adding a line about using BabelBoxes in the template, as it is a very important tool for us to help newbies with. Any objections or comments? --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

No objections, it's a good idea. —CodeCat 11:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure I like how it came out. I {{welcome}} any improvements. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

"You may find our guide to Wikipedia users useful."[edit]

A guide for Wikipedia users, surely! Someone want to fix that? Equinox 19:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)