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Again, welcome! --Vahag (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

a couple of tips[edit]

Hi, nice work with the Japanese entries. Just a couple of tips: there's a special template, {{ja-def}} for linking to the main or lemma entry. Also, there's a value called "hidx" that's used for entries that start with 濁点 or 半濁点 when written in kana, as well as every katakana entry, and there's some explanation on how to use it at {{ja-noun}}. I already made those changes to がしょう for your reference. Thanks --Haplology (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! Воображение


FYI, the {{ja-romaji}} template has been changed; see my bot-edit to yōsai. If you've been using {{subst:ja new/rom}}, then that's fine: it's been updated appropriately, so you can continue to use it the same way. —RuakhTALK 16:49, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Translation requests (Mandarin), e.g. maddah[edit]


It's very hard to find a translation for words like maddah in Mandarin. When a translation is not coined yet, which is probably the case here, Chinese people refer to the word in English or the native language, Arabic in this case. Currently Category:Translation requests (Mandarin) is cluttered with non-genuine requests. Do you really need to know the translation or you have another reason? I'd prefer to remove requests, which can't be filled in the next year or so. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't, as per say, need to know the translation; however; I am interested to see what it is. Despite that, if you deem it fit: Feel free to remove it from the list, although I believe that in Mandarin, people do have their own word for it. If they've got a translation for harakat, it is likely that the person who created the word 母音记号 also made their own words for harakat hyponyms.
Do you have the same policy for other language translation requests? Воображение (talk) 04:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
母音记号 simply means "vowel symbol(s)". There's no policy on requests, so far requests have been more or less manageable but when there are too many, often for untranslatable terms, then nobody cares to add translations, they just sit there. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Still; on the maddah it could be the Mandarin translation of alif+母音记号. But I understand what you mean about the translation. Воображение (talk) 04:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


The etymology you've added to esar doesn't make much sense to me. The corresponding Esperanto word is esti, so it seems like the Ido word is taken directly from Esperanto (with the ending -i modified to -ar, of course), except that the "t" is missing. Embryomystic's etymology[1] explains this by saying that the word is borrowed from Latin esse. Alternatively, it also seems plausible to me that the missing "t" was just a modification that was made when Ido was created. In any case, the Spanish etymology cannot be correct - there would be no reason for Ido to borrow the Spanish root est when Esperanto already had an identical root est with the same meaning. I'm going to change the etymology back to what Embryomystic wrote - let me know if you disagree, or (better yet) if you can find a source we can cite that explains the etymology of esar once and for all. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 01:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Ido's six main sources of roots are French, Italian, Spanish, English, German, and Russian, and in that order it draws the most roots to less roots. In the case of esar, I now believe that it is most in line with Italian essere; it is most likely derived from Italian, not Spanish.
In addition, why would Esperanto or Ido borrow from extinct languages directly? They were designed to be easy to learn for the speakers of the 6 languages.
And even if they did acquire the word from Latin, esar did not borrow, but more likely from Latin esse. Воображение (talk) 02:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
The essere etymology sounds plausible enough to me. (It would be nice to have a source though...) As for the extinct languages issue, I'm no expert on Ido, but there are numerous Esperanto roots taken from dead languages - kaj and kvankam are two examples. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 03:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm horrible at finding sources; I've tried.
Ido was created to be an improvement on Esperanto, and words like kaj and others were described as "Unnecessarily deformed]], i.e. not from modern languages. I doubt Ido has many of its words from extinct languages, if any at all.

Esperantisto, kunigu Ido! Воображение (talk) 03:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Do you know what the language code at the end of an etymology does? For example, etyl|fr|io?
Fakte, me komencas lernar Ido! And etyl|fr|io adds the page to Category:Ido terms derived from French. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 03:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Do watch out when it comes to etymology, though. Many (most?) Ido words come from Esperanto, and it's misleading not to mention that in the etymology section. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 04:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


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