Talk:брада

@Atitarev, Bezimenen, Bogorm You gave брада and планета vocatives. Do they really have vocatives? I've only been marking vocatives for nouns that refer to people or animals, except where it seems that a poetic vocative might reasonably exist for an inanimate object. Benwing2 (talk) 06:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: We can remove them. I agree. Many entries had theoretical vocatives. A poetic vocative seems to exist for various countries, words, like полиция->полицийо are not poetic. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 06:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2: I'm not sure about брада and планета, but some geographical and natural terms with anthropomorphic meaning certainly can take a vocative. Examples include:

• планина (planina, “mountain”) (e.g. Остани сбогом, стара планино)
• гора (gora), горица (gorica, “highland, forest”) (e.g. Горице, ситна зелена)
• вятър (vjatǎr, “wind”) (e.g. Дуйни ми, лъхни, бел ветре)
• слънце (slǎnce, “sun”) (e.g. Зайди, зайди, ясно слънце)
• облак (oblak), облаче (oblače, “cloud”) (e.g. Облаче ле бяло)
• месец (mesec), месечина (mesečina, “moon, month”) (e.g. Месечино, мила сестро)
• звезда (zvezda), звездица (zvezdica, “star”) (e.g. Звездице)
• река (reka, “river”), including river names (e.g. Дунаве, бели Дунаве)
• роса (rosa), росица (rosica, “dew”) (e.g. Росни ми, росни, росице)

Collective terms also have vocatives:

• рода (roda, “kin”), народ (narod, “nation, countrymen”) (e.g. Прощавай, родo (Ела се вие, превива)

Безименен 10:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure about брада either and if I have insisted on a vocative, I would like to retract my insistence, but vocative forms attested in literature (e. g. the aforementioned) should be præserved and listed. Bogorm converſation 10:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bogorm, Beziminen, Benwing2: Thanks for the input! I have added vocatives to планина, облак, звезда (but звездо, not звездице, which is diminutive of звездица (zvezdica, “starlet, little star”))

1. Дунав, вятър already have vocatives.
2. слънце is unchanged, no vocative required(?)
3. горица (gorica), росица (rosica), месечина (mesečina) are diminutives of the above entries, we need separate entries for them with vocatives, also звездица (zvezdica). Do месец (mesec), роса (rosa) have their own vocatives, not diminutives? It looks diminutives are used as vocatives but I think we need to separate those.
4. We need to add рода (roda, “kin”). We're missing it.
5. Should река (reka, “river”) have a vocative (not a diminutive)
6. Question: Is вълче (vǎlče) a diminutive of вълк (vǎlk) or vocative or both? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Benwing2, Bogorm, Beziminen, Nauka:

1. I have created all the missing entries in this discussion and added vocatives where there were missing. горица (gorica), росица (rosica), месечина (mesečina), звезда (zvezda), звездица (zvezdica), рода (roda), планина (planina) received vocative in declension table.
2. облаче (oblače) and вълче (vǎlče) are both diminutives and vocatives of облак (oblak) and вълк (vǎlk). --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Atitarev: I think that облаче could not be an vocative form of облак. The correct vocative form is облако ("Върни се, облако неверен,/ почакай, пакостнико черен" from "Градушка" (Heil) by w:Peyo Yvorov). The reason is that the forms in the paradigm of an noun must not differ each other by gender - all of the froms of облак in its paradigm are in masculine gender, but облаче is absolutely neuter. By the same reason the word вълче is not the vocative form of вълк too, I suppose вълчо with its masculine ending would be more correct in this case, but I am not sure if вълк has an actual vocative form at all, because not every noun has such a form in the modern Bugarian.--Nauka (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nauka: Thanks! I have modified the four entries accordingly. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 09:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)