Talk:быть в состоянии
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SOP: быть + в + состоя́нии (bytʹ + v + sostojánii). At the very least, this should be moved to в состоя́нии (v sostojánii), since it is often independent of the verb быть (bytʹ), such as in the following sentence: Человек в состоянии работать всегда сможет найти работу. --WikiTiki89 18:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, move, not delete. Not "at the very least", since "в состоянии" is idiomatic. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- The example - "Человек в состоянии работать всегда сможет найти работу." doesn't actually prove anything, since the verb быть (bytʹ) is usually omitted in the present tense. In English - "A person, in the position (capable) to work, can always find a job." As for the move to в состоя́нии (v sostojánii) - would that be a predicate? We don't have many examples of such entries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:29, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- (I see you changed your signature, it confused me for a second.) Anyway, as you can see from the English translation, the "в состоянии" is an adjectival phrase directly modifying "человек"; there is no implicit present tense copula in the sentence. To prove it to you, I will make the sentence past tense: В те времена, человек в состоянии работать всегда бы смог найти работу. As you can see, no past tense copula "был" appears before "в состоянии". --WikiTiki89 14:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you but this example still doesn't prove it, since the implied form here is not "есть", "был" or "будет" (is, was or will be) but "будучи" (being, participle), which is the same in all senses and is also omitted in the English translation I have provided. I have already agreed to move, I will make it an adverb, modelling on в ку́рсе (v kúrse). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:03, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- "будучи" is not implied. It's simply not necessary. Otherwise we should move all our adjectives from хороший to быть хорошим. --WikiTiki89 14:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- It's a predicative here, not an adjective. "To be good" or "to be in the position" don't have the same usage for "to be". "A good person" is OK, "A in the position person" is not OK. "Человек в состоянии работать" implies "Человек, который (есть)/будучи в состоянии работать". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 14:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- You're right that the actual adjectives are a bit different, but it's an adjectival phrase, not a predicate. It functions no differently than a participle phrase (which is why "будучи" also makes sense) or a relative clause (which is why "который" also makes sense here). Just because something can be inserted without changing the meaning, doesn't mean that it is implied when it is omitted. --WikiTiki89 15:00, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- It's a predicative here, not an adjective. "To be good" or "to be in the position" don't have the same usage for "to be". "A good person" is OK, "A in the position person" is not OK. "Человек в состоянии работать" implies "Человек, который (есть)/будучи в состоянии работать". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 14:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- "будучи" is not implied. It's simply not necessary. Otherwise we should move all our adjectives from хороший to быть хорошим. --WikiTiki89 14:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you but this example still doesn't prove it, since the implied form here is not "есть", "был" or "будет" (is, was or will be) but "будучи" (being, participle), which is the same in all senses and is also omitted in the English translation I have provided. I have already agreed to move, I will make it an adverb, modelling on в ку́рсе (v kúrse). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:03, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
- (I see you changed your signature, it confused me for a second.) Anyway, as you can see from the English translation, the "в состоянии" is an adjectival phrase directly modifying "человек"; there is no implicit present tense copula in the sentence. To prove it to you, I will make the sentence past tense: В те времена, человек в состоянии работать всегда бы смог найти работу. As you can see, no past tense copula "был" appears before "в состоянии". --WikiTiki89 14:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- The example - "Человек в состоянии работать всегда сможет найти работу." doesn't actually prove anything, since the verb быть (bytʹ) is usually omitted in the present tense. In English - "A person, in the position (capable) to work, can always find a job." As for the move to в состоя́нии (v sostojánii) - would that be a predicate? We don't have many examples of such entries. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:29, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Moved to в состоянии, header converted to "Adjective". — Keφr 08:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)