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Bulgarian шубра̀к Oghuric, and шу̀ма?[edit]
@Bezimenen Isn’t this шума in Bulgarian, Macedonian and Serbo-Croatian the same as the Bulgarian шубра̀к (šubràk) that you have explained as Turkic? The etymologies dictionaries find the word mysterious, Petar Skok ascribes it to Illyrian-Thracian. Amongst this group with all the other words like gȃj, lȇs, dùbrava, gvȍzd, lȗg, gòra etc. there might an Avar or Bolghar word. Hardly however it is the word for “noise”. Fay Freak (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say that шубрак (šubrak) and шума (šuma) are related. In fact, there is an autonomous word шумак (šumak, “dense bunch of vegetation”), which is distinct from шубрак (šubrak, “thick grove”). I gave шубрак (šubrak) as Oghuric (in Bulgarian literature it is often call "proto-Bulghar") following the Bulgarian version of Wiktionary. Unfortunately, the Bulgarian Etymological Dictionary has not reach Ш, so I cannot tell you what is the official standpoint which linguists take on this matter. Bezimenen (talk) 08:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Can you give me a link to Skok etymology. It's good to add it as an alternative opinion for the etymology of Bulgarian шубра̀к (šubràk). Bezimenen (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bezimenen Aye I can. By the way I also just noticed it would make sense if you set-up an e-mail in your account; people might send you more. Fay Freak (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- This source only classifies шума (šuma) as Illyrian-Thracian. It does not say anything about Bulgarian шубра̀к (šubràk). Bezimenen (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bezimenen I did not mean or say it either. I said “The etymologies dictionaries find the word mysterious, Petar Skok ascribes it to Illyrian-Thracian.” Шума. Fay Freak (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I figured. I misunderstood what you referred to. I already added the reference to Skok under the Serbo-Croatian term. Bezimenen (talk) 17:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bezimenen I did not mean or say it either. I said “The etymologies dictionaries find the word mysterious, Petar Skok ascribes it to Illyrian-Thracian.” Шума. Fay Freak (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- This source only classifies шума (šuma) as Illyrian-Thracian. It does not say anything about Bulgarian шубра̀к (šubràk). Bezimenen (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bezimenen Aye I can. By the way I also just noticed it would make sense if you set-up an e-mail in your account; people might send you more. Fay Freak (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- In principle, Bulgarian preserves a small core of Oghuric/proto-Turkic terms, most of which have been reshaped to fit the Slavic morphology. For example, the word for hue; (painting) stroke, notch шарка (šarka) is derived from Proto-Turkic *siarïg (“bright, vivid (for color)”). It is not unprecedented that a Turkic word is used interchangeably with native Slavic words. Bezimenen (talk) 17:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)