Talk:יונגער־מאַן

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I'd say this is SOP. --WikiTiki89 01:20, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. According to the reference I have just added, the plural of yunger-man is yunge-layt, but layt is not the plural of man. (Weinreich's dictionary says the same thing.) Therefore, the plural formation is unexpected and cannot be deduced from the component parts. —Angr 13:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

  We don't have an entry at לײַט (layt), but based on German Leute, I think there is reason to believe that לײַט (layt) may also be an alternative plural מאַן (man) and thus the difference would come down to usage differences between מענער (mener) and לײַט (layt). We should investigate. Do you still have access to that dictionary you referenced? --WikiTiki89 18:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

  Yes, I own it, and it says layt (unlike German Leute) is a singular noun meaning "adult, respectable person" and has a plural of its own, laytn. So not only is layt not the plural of man, by itself it isn't a plural in Yiddish at all. —Angr 19:58, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

  Interesting, it should probably be kept then. Strange that לײַט is used as a plural in this compound then. Are there any other compounds that have לײַט as a plural? --WikiTiki89 20:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

  Weinreich's Yiddish dictionary gives gesheftsman with plural gesheftslayt, which is almost certainly a comparatively recent borrowing from German. Indeed, there are a number of compounds in German where -mann in the singular becomes -leute in the plural: Geschäftsmann/Geschäftsleute and Feuerwehrmann/Feuerwehrleute are the two that spring to mind, but I'm sure there are others. (Interestingly, this is not a modern attempt at being gender-neutral: even in the 19th century, when all businessmen and firemen were guaranteed to be male, the plurals were still Geschäftsleute and Feuerwehrleute.) But yunger-man apparently isn't borrowed from German; at least, I've never heard of a compound "Junger-Mann" with plural "Junge-Leute". In German, junger Mann and junge Leute really are just SOP adjective + noun phrases, and the plural of junger Mann is junge Männer. —Angr 21:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

The German "junger Mann" and "junge Leute" are also idiomatic, especially as a form of address. It's included in German synonym dictionaries, some synonyms are: Adoleszent, Jugendlicher, Teenager, etc. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

• I have heard (pardon my probably nonstandard transliteration) yeshiva-layt as plural for yeshiva-man. I have no idea how common or standard it (plural or singular) is.​—msh210℠ (talk) 04:58, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

In English (young man) and in Russian (молодой человек, lit.: "young human" - "youth" or a form of address) are idiomatic and mean more than and not only a "man who is young". A similar thing can be said about French jeune homme (there's an entry in the French wiki). The German term "junger Mann", plural "junge Leute", which is almost identical to Yiddish, it's also idiomatic. Like in other languages it's a synonym to "youth", "boy", "lad", used as a form of address, sometimes ironically. Keep. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 03:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)