Talk:AIDS whore
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Needs 3 cites. — [Ric Laurent] — 21:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- Even if it is cited, it is still SoP: AIDS + whore. -- Liliana • 22:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It seems to be cited, though I haven't checked the citations individually. Why would this be sum of parts? Which sense of AIDS and of whore? Mglovesfun (talk) 22:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's well cited now but it's not SOP, it isn't used in any of the citations to describe a "prostitute" with "AIDS" but rather someone that "dirty" "unwanted" "gay" "diseased" "bitch" and "contemptible".Lucifer (talk) 23:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- That it doesn't use the oldest or most literal sense of (deprecated template usage) whore or even any sense that we yet have is not a sufficient argument. DCDuring TALK 23:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's not used to refer to what the two words mean literally, and in fact it means something completely different. That is the definition of idiomatic. And that's just a fact.Lucifer (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- I was responding to what you wrote not what you wish you'd written. DCDuring TALK 23:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- AIDS whore is defined as "nasty" that is very different than "late stage HIV prostitute" and that is idiomatic.Lucifer (talk) 02:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- This collocation amounts to evidence supporting a sense (deprecated template usage) whore, which should be easy to cite with other collocations as well as unmodified. DCDuring TALK 23:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- The citations show in general it means dirty and directed at a disliked individual oftentimes of certain demographic groups.Lucifer (talk) 02:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- That would make it a lot like other terms of abuse constructed using the word whore. "Viking whore", "rotten ould whore", "idiot whore" are the examples in the citations at (deprecated template usage) whore. Others that can be found include "cancer whore", "crack whore", "drug whore". There is a long history of the use of whore in compound insults without specific evidence that the target was a whore in any specific sense. DCDuring TALK 03:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- I was responding to what you wrote not what you wish you'd written. DCDuring TALK 23:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's not used to refer to what the two words mean literally, and in fact it means something completely different. That is the definition of idiomatic. And that's just a fact.Lucifer (talk) 23:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- That it doesn't use the oldest or most literal sense of (deprecated template usage) whore or even any sense that we yet have is not a sufficient argument. DCDuring TALK 23:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's well cited now but it's not SOP, it isn't used in any of the citations to describe a "prostitute" with "AIDS" but rather someone that "dirty" "unwanted" "gay" "diseased" "bitch" and "contemptible".Lucifer (talk) 23:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It seems to be cited, though I haven't checked the citations individually. Why would this be sum of parts? Which sense of AIDS and of whore? Mglovesfun (talk) 22:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- Both crackwhore and AIDS whore are common set terms used a single word that mean more than the sum of parts.Lucifer (talk) 03:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Like I've said to you many times before, it is not enough for you to say "this must be kept, this is common, this means what I claim it means". You must provide evidence and not anecdotes. Equinox ◑ 02:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- I said it means what the citations on the entry say it means, evidence that you could easily read honey.Lucifer (talk) 01:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- The 2001 and 2006 citations seem crystal clear, and the others seem to line up with those. BenjaminBarrett12 (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- I said it means what the citations on the entry say it means, evidence that you could easily read honey.Lucifer (talk) 01:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- Like I've said to you many times before, it is not enough for you to say "this must be kept, this is common, this means what I claim it means". You must provide evidence and not anecdotes. Equinox ◑ 02:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
- Secondarily, note that the definition is an awful word salad, and full of what Wikipedia calls "weasel words": considered, perceived ("perceived as ... HIV positive"?! you either are or aren't, and it isn't a dictionary's job to pussyfoot around what the word actually means). Equinox ◑ 22:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted as SOP. I moved the citations to the citations page, in case anyone wants to use them to cite a sense of "whore". - -sche (discuss) 22:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)