Talk:Author of Eternal Salvation

Author of Eternal Salvation

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Jesus Christ. This was probably created to win points in a stupid game --Turnedlessef (talk) 23:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I believe it's called Christian Evangelism. If you get enough points, you win a free pass to heaven...

Seriously, though, this is just one of a huge number of set phrases in Christian literature that are SOP in older English, but seem idiomatic to people who only know that they sound "Biblical". Chuck Entz (talk) 02:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Comment: If "Author of Eternal Salvation" is a proper noun, doesn't it not count anymore if it's an SoP pretty much as long as it's attestable? Since a proper noun is a literal name of something, rather than just a regular common noun like "brown leaf"? Philmonte101 (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Comment: We Christians have countless titles for God, and I think that in the context in which they're normally used, most of them are fairly self-explanatory. I'm not sure whether they're SOP enough to delete, though, so I'll let others decide. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, but consider creating an appendix of nicknames of religious figures. I seem to recall having similar discussions over something like "god of this world" and "prince of the air" as nicknames for the devil. bd2412 T 11:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

If this entry is unsuitable, there are probably plenty more to be removed here and here. - TheDaveRoss 12:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

• Delete. Hmmm. I agree with Andrew that this can easily get out of hand, as one can find books about the various "names" of God and Jesus Christ in Christianity, of God in Islam, and so on. Some may be attestable epithets (e.g., Jehovah), but others are likely to be allegorical and based on passages of scripture (e.g., "The Door", "The True Vine"), in which case it is unlikely that they are actually used regularly to refer to the deity. I think the epithet under discussion is of the latter nature, so on the whole I'm leaning towards delete for this one. — SMUconlaw (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep, as a proper noun cannot be SoP, since it is the literal name of something, rather than a common noun like "brown leaf". Philmonte101 (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It is a quotation from Hebrews 5:9. Is there sufficient indication that the term is actually used as a proper noun to refer to Jesus Christ, rather than simply referring to the fact that, according to the writer of Hebrews, Christ is the saviour of humankind? Note that capitalization of the term alone may not indicate it is a proper noun – in early works, capitalization was rather idiosyncratic. — SMUconlaw (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
    • This isn't a proper noun! The guy literally said in the edit description "points galore". 'Author of Eternal Salvation' is just used to describe that Jesus is the "author of eternal salvation". MackyBlue11 (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. - -sche (discuss) 15:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete... couldn't find any cites where this wasn't used predicatively, e.g. "he became the author of eternal salvation", "he is the author of eternal salvation", except as a name of an album. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 19:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleted. An appendix may be constructed to house epithets like these. bd2412 T 21:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)