Talk:Maycomb
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- Moved from RFD
Per WT:FICTION. Incidentally, I need the pronunciation for a presentation tomorrow, so if someone would?__Gamren (talk) 13:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Pronunciation added. It rhymes with take 'em. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Mentioned in several unrelated works. PseudoSkull (talk) 01:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- It needs to satisfy WT:FICTION, though. — SMUconlaw (talk) 09:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sounds like this might be more suitable for RFV rather than RFD. — SMUconlaw (talk) 06:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Since it's a question of whether satisfying cites can be found, I suppose you're right. And thank you, Angr.__Gamren (talk) 08:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what we are looking for here, given that the definition refers to the fictional universe of Harper Lee. I have added two quotes to the citations page that talk about Maycomb as an exemplar of other southern towns. If that is not what we are looking for, can someone tell me what a satisfying cite would look like? Kiwima (talk) 19:24, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- According to WT:FICTION, we would need to find "three citations which are independent of reference to [the fictional] universe". Where persons or places from fictional universes are concerned, we need quotes showing "they are used out of context in an attributive sense". For instance, a quotation like "To Kill a Mockingbird is set in the fictional town of Maycomb" would be insufficient, but "The Maycomb spirit pervades many small towns in the USA today" would be fine. Further examples are given at "Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion/Fictional universes". — SMUconlaw (talk) 20:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Given that, would the citations I posted count? if so, I assume we are cited now. Kiwima (talk) 01:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Both of those are from works directly about Harper Lee and To Kill a Mockingbird. The ideal citation would be one that mentions Maycomb but without mentioning Lee or the novel (or film) at all. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 05:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Given that, would the citations I posted count? if so, I assume we are cited now. Kiwima (talk) 01:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Given that the definition mentions Harper Lee and To Kill a Mockingbird, that's a pretty big ask, because if the work that uses Maycomb doesn't mention them, there is no way to tell that it's the same Maycomb. Kiwima (talk) 21:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- What we're looking for is instances where someone uses the term "Maycomb" to refer to some sort of prototypical small Southern town; where the author assumes that the reader is so familiar with TKaM that he doesn't need to mention TKaM explicitly. If authors don't feel they can mention Maycomb unless they're already talking about TKaM or unless they explicitly say it's the location of TKaM, then the word hasn't really entered the English language as a concept independent of its fictional source yet. WT:Criteria for inclusion/Fictional universes says, "With respect to names of persons or places from fictional universes, they shall not be included unless they are used out of context in an attributive sense" (emphasis added). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Given that the definition mentions Harper Lee and To Kill a Mockingbird, that's a pretty big ask, because if the work that uses Maycomb doesn't mention them, there is no way to tell that it's the same Maycomb. Kiwima (talk) 21:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I think I have cited this. Kiwima (talk) 20:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 20:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)