Talk:Nutella

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If we take WT:CFI at all seriously, this needs to meet WT:BRAND. Of course the translation rationale for inclusion seems to apply as much to brand names as to proper nouns and common collocations. It is only a prejudice against commerce that applies different standards to brand names. DCDuring TALK 15:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not simply a prejudice, as you know. It is to prevent floods of spam gumming up the wikiworks. (I say this mainly so that those who don't know become aware of the whyfore). But to the main point, I do not find any relevant examples in English. (French doesn't count, does it?) -- ALGRIF talk 16:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we apply WT:BRAND to toponyms, personal names, etc? There is plenty of nationalistic spam, fanboy spam, etc. DCDuring TALK 21:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we? I would imagine that it would be ridiculously easy to find citations for personal names and place names that don't specify something like "Her friend Bill, which is a name, came from Alabama, which is a place". bd2412 T 01:12, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

It is generically used in German, so the page must stay anyway. For the English section, I don’t know. H. (talk) 08:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

RFV-failed, without prejudice, as uncited; English section removed.

The French and German "definitions" pointed to the removed English section. I have changed them to point to a new Italian section instead. SemperBlotto 21:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Note: I added one citation to Citations:Nutella, but it is difficult to find citations that meet WT:BRAND criteria. - -sche (discuss) 21:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I have added several citations to Citations:Nutella. I think the McGilvary and Dolgoff ones meet BRAND criteria, the Trentmann one may also. Trentmann suggests Nutella is edible (as people are eating it), and Page calls it a "victual"; if it is only identified in a quotation as edible, but not further identified, does the quotation meet BRAND? - -sche (discuss) 00:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I have reversed my earlier removal of the English section because, hard though they were to find, I believe I have found enough citations that meet WT:BRAND that this might pass. First:

• 2009, Marion McGilvary, A Lost Wife's Tale: A Novel, page 252:

  He was slender, brown, and incredibly pretty, with dark-fringed eyes as rich as Nutella. I could imagine him naked— small and smooth and perfectly formed— but that was as far as I got: imagining.

In this book, ‘Nutella’ could be anything, even a stone: on page 52 of Matt Beynon Rees’ 2007 The Collaborator of Bethlehem, someone is said to have ‘blue eyes as rich as lapis’. Second:

• 2004, Martin Page, Adriana Hunter, How I became stupid:

  [...] those who like Nutella and those who like Brussels sprouts.

  [...] ¶

  He stood up and filled his arms with Nutella, foie gras, salami, cheeses, blinis, and all manner of victuals.

In this case, ‘Nutella’ is first implied to be edible, and then, a great many pages later, specified to be a victual. However, especially the first time it is mentioned, it would help a reader to know that it is a dessert-like food (something we cannot gather from this quotation). It is contrasted with Brussels sprouts: but is the contrast between a meat that a carnivore would eat and a vegetable that a vegetarian would eat? Third:

• 2006, Frank Trentmann, The making of the consumer: knowledge, power and identity, page 263:

  By contrast, in the Ostalgia shows celebrities now happily eat Nudossi, the Nutella of the East, by the spoonful.

I am not certain this one meets BRAND: it might, insofar as it does not specify but only imply that the product is edible. Are the celebrities actually eating something inedible? Could it be using a metaphorical meaning of ‘eat [...] by the spoonful’ (something like: lap up) and referring to some official government line? Fourth, though, and stronger:

• 2010, Lucy A. Snyder, Shotgun Sorceress, page 226:

  We kissed; his mouth tasted like Nutella, as if we'd just come in from making a mid-morning snack in the kitchen. His skin smelled like fresh gingerbread and clean healthy man.

This strongly implies ‘Nutella’ is a snack food, but it would be helpful to a reader to know it is a sweet, dessert-like food and not, for example, a manly cold cut of meat. Fifth:

• 2011, Lisi Harrison, Top of the Feud Chain:

  His pale blue eyes found Skye's blue-green ones and quickly flicked away, but not before a warm, gooey excitement spread through Skye's chest like Nutella on a fresh crepe.

This one is weak: it suggests ‘Nutella’ is edible because it is found in a simile atop something that is edible (a crepe), but it also implies that it is routinely warm, which is not the case (meanwhile, other things are gooey). Anyway, sixth:

• 2010, Stephanie Dolgoff, My Formerly Hot Life: Dispatches from Just the Other Side of Young, page 19 and 152:

  This is not so much because I used to have a better body for jeans, before I had twins and before my metabolism slammed on the breaks at 40 and decided it would tolerate no more Nutella.

  [...] ¶

  Self, is it worth it to completely forgo pretty much all the foodstuffs that bring you enormous joy, such as Nutella and pasta with pesto, in order to be thinner?

The case for this book is that it identifies ‘Nutella’ as a delectable food only 100+ pages after first using the term. In the first usage, ‘Nutella’ could mean ‘laziness, failure to exercise’. Even in the second usage, it is not clear (though it is perhaps also not relevant) that it is sweet and dessert-like as opposed to some other kind of pasta.

I would like input on whether any of these citations (or the weaker ones on the citations page) meet WT:BRAND criteria. - -sche (discuss) 07:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Eh, kept. - -sche (discuss) 00:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

German

The German language section is missing an actual feminine example. Qwerty3521 (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

There are actually two quotations showing feminine usage (don't get fooled by the der, it's genitive feminine).

"Entschlossen griff ich mir einen Teelöffel, öffnete beherzt den Deckel der Nutella und strich einen extra großen Batzen heraus."

Jberkel 23:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)