Talk:deleted scene
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Sum of its parts?[edit]
Does this term mean more than the sum of its parts? Isn't it simply a scene that which was deleted? –Gunslinger47 04:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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The definition looks an awful lot like a (deprecated template usage) scene that is (deprecated template usage) deleted. It appears to have been inserted to advertise a WP article. {{only in}} would be an admirable replacement. DCDuring TALK 21:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- Weak keep, but only because this seems confined to the context of cinema. If the term can be shown to apply to theatre or other situations where a scene could be cut, then I'd agree with deleting it. --EncycloPetey 22:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. That's a good point. The phrase most often refers to a scene in a movie or TV episode that is filmed but that is later removed (during post-production), not to a scene that is removed during pre-production and is never filmed. That's why it's mostly confined to cinema: that sort of change is less common in television, and is impossible in a play or novel or whatnot. That said, I think part of the reason for this is that people don't usually talk about scenes that are deleted in other ways: usually you talk about a deleted scene if it's shown during the credits or is in the director's cut or on the DVD or in the trailers or whatnot. In the rare cases that an otherwise-deleted scene does get discussed, the phrase "deleted scene" does sometimes get used. For example, the play The Crucible was originally performed with an Act II, Scene ii that was removed early on, and google:"deleted scene" crucible shows that people do sometimes use the phrase "deleted scene" in reference to it. (Only once at google books:"deleted scene" crucible, though.) For another examples, writers will sometimes release "deleted scenes" from their novels (scenes that didn't make the published book) on their web-sites, as a sort of teaser or bonus for fans; examples of that are here and here. But one could argue that all of these non-cinematic uses are still just extensions of the core cinematic use. —RuakhTALK 18:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, but actually — any restrictions on "deleted scene" regarding the type of deletion may actually be restrictions on "delete". Does a novelist or playwright or director or editor "delete" a scene, or do they "remove" it or "kill" it or "edit it out"? Maybe scenes just don't get "deleted" until post-production. If so, then it doesn't seem like the collocation "deleted scene" is actually an idiom, though it may be a set phrase. —RuakhTALK 18:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. That's a good point. The phrase most often refers to a scene in a movie or TV episode that is filmed but that is later removed (during post-production), not to a scene that is removed during pre-production and is never filmed. That's why it's mostly confined to cinema: that sort of change is less common in television, and is impossible in a play or novel or whatnot. That said, I think part of the reason for this is that people don't usually talk about scenes that are deleted in other ways: usually you talk about a deleted scene if it's shown during the credits or is in the director's cut or on the DVD or in the trailers or whatnot. In the rare cases that an otherwise-deleted scene does get discussed, the phrase "deleted scene" does sometimes get used. For example, the play The Crucible was originally performed with an Act II, Scene ii that was removed early on, and google:"deleted scene" crucible shows that people do sometimes use the phrase "deleted scene" in reference to it. (Only once at google books:"deleted scene" crucible, though.) For another examples, writers will sometimes release "deleted scenes" from their novels (scenes that didn't make the published book) on their web-sites, as a sort of teaser or bonus for fans; examples of that are here and here. But one could argue that all of these non-cinematic uses are still just extensions of the core cinematic use. —RuakhTALK 18:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep and improve. Very often deleted scenes are available as a bonus feature on a DVD, and in some cases (usually in comedies) they are played as a background to the film credits. Therefore, a deleted scene is not only a scene that is deleted from the film and never again seen, but is sometimes a scene deleted from the body of the film, but made available in another form of media. bd2412 T 17:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Why not just improve the WP article, if it needs it? The deleted scene clearly must be deleted from something that has scenes by basic implicature. Do we have any evidence that the term is attestably used carrying all the encyclopedic baggage now in the entry or that would be added by "improving" it ? Sometimes purported improvements seem to be meant to add to the meaning that users actually ascribe to the words in favor of an expert's opinion as to what the words should mean. DCDuring TALK 17:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia, "Deleted scene is a commonly-used term in the entertainment industry, especially the film and television industry, which usually refers specifically to scenes removed or censored from or replaced by another scene in the final "cut", or version, of a film (including television serials). It is occasionally, but rarely, referred to as a "cut scene", but due to the usage of "cut scene" in reference to video games, the preference seems to be to call it "deleted" instead. A related term is "extended scene", which refers to scenes (such as fight scenes or montages) which were shortened for the final version of the film. Often extended scenes will be included in collections of deleted scenes, or also referred to as deleted scenes themselves". The variations in the meanings of these terms is significant as a matter of lexicography. The fact that this is covered in an encyclopedia article along with other information such as controversies over deleted scenes or parodies of deleted scenes does not detract from the fact that the term has a set meaning in a specific industry, which is the kind of information that belongs in a dictionary. bd2412 T 01:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Why not just improve the WP article, if it needs it? The deleted scene clearly must be deleted from something that has scenes by basic implicature. Do we have any evidence that the term is attestably used carrying all the encyclopedic baggage now in the entry or that would be added by "improving" it ? Sometimes purported improvements seem to be meant to add to the meaning that users actually ascribe to the words in favor of an expert's opinion as to what the words should mean. DCDuring TALK 17:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Ƿidsiþ 17:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Video games could have deleted scenes too. Sum of parts basically. I've been thinking similar thoughts about (deprecated template usage) good ending and (deprecated template usage) bad ending. Equinox ◑ 19:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- I seem to hear "deleted scenes" being used to refer to any additional content stuffed onto a DVD. Even if there are no actual scenes which were deleted from the film included. I am not sure how pervasive that usage is though. - [The]DaveRoss 19:42, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
kept -- Liliana • 09:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)