Talk:janvär
Right form is janvār, see for example: Latviešu-lībiešu-angļu sarunvārdnīca.--Pjr (talk) 08:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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Created by Flying Saucer (talk • contribs) in 2007, tagged for speedy deletion by Pjr (talk • contribs) a few minutes ago. It has a lot of interwikis, making me think if it is a mistake, it might be common enough to be a common misspelling or an obsolete form. Otherwise, it might be that one incorrect entry has been the source for the entries in the other languages. I definitely can't speedy delete this, so help! Mglovesfun (talk) 10:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- My knowledge of Livonian is non-existent, but at least in Livonian Wikipedia [1] the month of January appears in the form janvār (the difference is "ā" versus "ä"), which we also have, created by the same user who tagged janvär as wrong. I'm inclined towards believing him. --Hekaheka (talk) 19:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- But ä is also a letter in Livonian; it's possible this appears in free variation ä/ā. We've seen a lot of tagging of English words as wrong when they were merely British or a well-supported alternate spelling. It's up for RfV; if anyone cares, I think we should give them time to find at least one citation. (Which may be enough if the endangered language proposal passes.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Livonian is closely related to Finnish and Estonian. The Wiktionaries in both languages have a Livonian entry for janvār, but not for janvär. If there is a Livonian Wiktionary, it is not in liv.wiktionary.org (i.e. I did not find one). The little of Livonian texts I could locate in the net do not seem to contain an "ä". So far, the case for janvär looks weak. --Hekaheka (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- There is a Livonian alphabet available here [2]. I was wrong in suggesting that there would be no "ä". In Livonian spelling, the short line above a letter indicates that it is pronounced "long". Thus "ā" indicates a long "a" (in Finnish we use "a" and "aa" to indicate a similar difference), whereas "ä" is a different letter. A long "ä" would have a short line above the dots, but I don't know how to reproduce it on my keyboard . --Hekaheka (talk) 03:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Livonian is closely related to Finnish and Estonian. The Wiktionaries in both languages have a Livonian entry for janvār, but not for janvär. If there is a Livonian Wiktionary, it is not in liv.wiktionary.org (i.e. I did not find one). The little of Livonian texts I could locate in the net do not seem to contain an "ä". So far, the case for janvär looks weak. --Hekaheka (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- But ä is also a letter in Livonian; it's possible this appears in free variation ä/ā. We've seen a lot of tagging of English words as wrong when they were merely British or a well-supported alternate spelling. It's up for RfV; if anyone cares, I think we should give them time to find at least one citation. (Which may be enough if the endangered language proposal passes.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
My source for form janvār is Latvian-Livonian-English Phrase Book / Valda Šuvcāne, Ieva Ernštreite 1999:
- Latviešu-lībiešu-angļu sarunvārdnīca. Also Russian Wiktionary has an article janvār [[3]].
Livonian has both letters ā Ā, and ä Ä also letter ǟ Ǟ. All they have different meaning.--Pjr (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Livonian Wikipedia in Wikimedia incubator [4] "Ūdāigastkū agā janvār" (...or janvār). This form is made by user Ohpuu[5] not me.--Pjr (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think that janvär is simply a mistake , like kīņćõļkū / kīņḑõļkū. --Pjr (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Livisch-deutsches und deutsch-livisches Wörterbuch / Sjögren, Wiedermann 1861 [6] has forms Januaris and Januar (in Sjögens ortography), form Januar is more janvār than janvär (in todays Livonian ortography).--Pjr (talk) 11:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think that janvär is simply a mistake , like kīņćõļkū / kīņḑõļkū. --Pjr (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Livonian Wikipedia in Wikimedia incubator [4] "Ūdāigastkū agā janvār" (...or janvār). This form is made by user Ohpuu[5] not me.--Pjr (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
The conclusion seems to be delete. Would someone with sufficient editing rights like to give the final blow? There's no content that would not be present already in the correct (deprecated template usage) janvār. --Hekaheka (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted. - -sche (discuss) 20:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)