Talk:jedynka

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jedynka

Sense: "a tram or bus number 1". Actually, you could refer in this way to television or radio stations, highways, rooms, seats, people even (google:"jedynka na liście"). Anything with a number designation can be referred to with a noun naming the number (or just the numeral, if you are careless enough). An alternative would be to broaden the sense to include this metonymic usage, but is it worth it? Compare Talk:A cup. — Keφr 20:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree that this does not seem to be an instance of metonymy that merits a sense. Further I don't think a general metonymic sense should be included for every number, letter, color, etc in every language. OTOH. I wish I had something other than my intuition to rely on to discriminate inclusion-worthy metonymy from exclusion-worthy metonymy. DCDuring TALK 16:11, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I would rephrase and fix the definition to have a broader noun sense (derived from the numeral - "by extension") but keep. No other sense seems to cover this. I didn't give it a lot of thought, though. Thinking fivesome - piątka, pięcioro? In Russian too, when someone says - сади́сь на едини́цу (sadísʹ na jedinícu), not sure if it's obvious to a learner that they mean "take number one (tram, bus, etc.)". --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

How about a usage note? — Keφr 07:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I think the best way is to keep the sense "number one" (expanded). It may cover some other cases, not transportation. I have also added this sense to едини́ца (jediníca), pls take a look. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep the sense 'a tram or bus no. "1"' of a Polish entry, but probably make it broader; no other sense currently in the entry does the job. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Tweenk broadened the sense to "something assigned the number one". I am still not convinced it deserves a sense, though. — Keφr 12:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Czech jednička is directly analogous to this, for which Czech dictionaries have the sense "věc označená číslem 1" (thing labeled by number 1). A similar sense is in Polish dictionaries at PWN: "to, co jest oznaczone cyfrą 1". I agree with these lexicographers, since a thing labeled by number 1 is not a digit or number, and thus cannot be subsumed by the leading sense; it cannot be subsumed by the other senses either. The current def "something assigned the number one, e.g. bus line, tram line, candidate on a ballot" looks okay to me. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I think this sense should be included in some form. First, the metonymical sense is restricted to the numeral noun form (rzeczownik odliczebnikowy in Polish): jedynka, dwójka, trójka, etc., and does not extend to other forms of numerals - this information is important. Second, numeral noun metonymy is very widespread in everyday Polish. For example this news article is titled "Ofiara na krajowej dwójce", which literally means "Victim on national two". This is rather meaningless unless the reader realizes that this actually means "Victim on national road number two". --Tweenk (talk) 02:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Any updates? Decisions? I've got a bunch of Russian cognates to decide on. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Kept, clear lack of consensus to delete. bd2412 T 22:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC)