Talk:lemon juice

RFV discussion: January–March 2015

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lemon juice

"(nonstandard) Lemonade, a fruit juice made from lemons". 1. Lemonade isn't a fruit juice, is it? (whereas lemon juice is!) It's a drink with other ingredients. 2. I've never come across this at all; can it be cited? Equinox ◑ 14:07, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I've removed everything after and including the comma. Still need citing. This goes back to the very first edit of lemon juice. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

A few plausible citations:

"She sat me down in a chair on the stone stoop outside the diwan - the very same place - and brought me a glass of lemon juice."

"Spiritual pilgrims can console themselves for giving in to their appetites by making sure to buy fromage made by the monks of Cîteaux; pick up some good bread and sparkling lemon juice to go with the cheese and have a picnic on the way to the abbey."

"They wiped his face with a hot towel, gave him a tall glass of very refreshing lemon juice, and took his temperature, after making him comfortable on a nice clean soft bed inside the ambulance, which sped along its siren wailing."

"Soon after 6 P.M . we walked over to a small shop and had a glass of lemon juice and a banana, thus breaking the fast."

Most seem to refer to Arabic/Indian contexts. Smurrayinchester (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems to refer to the juice of a lemon, no? Is there any indication it's a fizzy, sugary drink? Renard Migrant (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

"Sparkling" and "tall glass" strike me as strong indications that it is not plain juice of a lemon that is being referred to. That would be two close-to-unambiguous (good enough for me) cites. DCDuring TALK 16:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I searched for things like "glass of lemon juice" and "refreshing lemon juice", on the grounds that I can't see anyone considering just a glass of freshly squeezed lemon juice as something to be drunk in any great quantity as a thirst quencher. A couple more plausible ones I found:

(India) Smita Dongre settled Vikram on the sofa and a young lady dressed in a bright salwar kameez placed ]https://books.google.de/books?id=cTZAAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT49&dq=%22sugary+lemon+juice%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6dG-VJayOaTCywPdwYHADg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22sugary%20lemon%20juice%22&f=false lemon juice] and biscuits on the table. [...] Vikram sipped sugary lemon juice.

(Botswana) Upon seating, guests are treated to a complimentary free glass of thirst quenching [1] lemon juice with ice.

(Vietnam) First she gave me a tall glass of lemon juice, followed by white noodles, egg rolls, cucumber salad, fish sauce, and meat rolled in rice bread.

(USA?) Thousands of years ago, the ancient Chinese drank lemon juice as an aid to health. Hot lemonade was such a popular drink that a song writer of the Yuan Dynasty wrote a "Lemon Hot Water Song."

If these look good, I'll write a few of them up properly tomorrow. Smurrayinchester (talk) 22:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah-ha, perhaps it's one of these words that are used differently in "outer circle" Englishes. Equinox ◑ 20:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

• Apparently there are more kinds of lemon than are dreamt of in our idiolects. There is something called sweet lemon juice which seems to be the juice of sweet lemons. Per WP: "Citrus limetta is a species of citrus. Common names for varieties of this species include sweet limetta, Mediterranean sweet lemon, sweet lemon, and sweet lime." Thus, our assumption that a tall glass of lemon juice was undrinkable unless it was made into a lemonade is wrong. And Citrus limetta is native to South Asia. DCDuring TALK 10:54, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

  Aha! And google books:"sweet lemon juice" confirms that that is a thing. And there's a book called Sweet Lemons →ISBN, page 71) which speaks of a woman making "marinade, lemon sauce, lemon chutney, lemonade, lemon juice, lemon in custard, lemon meringue pie etc", where the title implies that the lemon juice in question is made from sweet lemons. And there are also books like The Citrus Cookbook →ISBN which say sweet lemons "make delicious lemonade, however, without the addition of sugar", implying that lemonade made from sweet lemons is called that ("lemonade") and not "lemon juice". - -sche (discuss) 17:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

  Per the above discussion, I've replaced the RFVed sense with this. - -sche (discuss) 03:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)