Talk:stag do

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A [[stag]] [[do#Noun]], a stag party, a bachelor do, a bachelor party. Or [[stag]] [[spoor]]. DCDuring TALK 15:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, in British English this is a set phrase and can't just be separated into stag + do. The plural needs verifiying though, I'd have said stag dos. Mglovesfun 11:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, very much a "set phrase" in British English. Also, if it's SoP, which sense of (deprecated template usage) stag are we supposed to use? Not the one that means a bachelor's party, or this would be a "party do". Equinox ◑ 13:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had assumed "stag" had a sense of "bachelor; male unaccompanied by a female at a social event or meat market." I have added that sense based solely on my own sense of that use of the word. Not all "stag" events are eve-of-the-wedding. My sense of a "stag night" is that it might well include errant married males on a "boys' night out". DCDuring TALK 14:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
stag (per OED, stag, n1, 9. c.) means composed of males only, and is used in combination for stag-dance, stag devilry, stag-dinner, stag-night, stag-party, and presumably also stag do. Hereabouts, a stag party is often called just a stag, for short. Since CFI says nothing about “set phrases,”
delete. —Michael Z. 2009-06-05 23:19 z
There is the "in-between" test (mentioned at WT:IDIOM, I think). DCDuring TALK 20:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna upgrade my vote to a strong keep; why delete this but keep stag party or stag night? In fact stag party sounds too formal in the UK, so if you say stag do that gets the message across much better. Mglovesfun 19:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Those entries would have to stand on their own in a challenge. I just noticed this one. If this decision were negative, the challenge to the others would be forthcoming. DCDuring TALK 20:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your point is a good one. Mglovesfun 22:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding in-between test, could someone not refer to, for instance, young people of either gender going to a “stag or hen do” or “stag or bachelorette do,” or for clarity for an international audience refer to a “stag party or do,” or intensify by saying a “stag bloody do!”? I don't know if any of these would necessarily breaks the in-between test; just throwing it out. —Michael Z. 2009-06-08 03:11 z
Certainly anything that survived such a strict test would qualify for inclusion as a "set phrase" in anyone's book (or online equivalent). I just don't know about whether it's a good enough test for exclusion. What do professional lexicographers have to say about idiomaticity? Their approach is likely to be a bit more useful to us than something more detached from dictionary making. DCDuring TALK 03:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think I was wrong. This and all of its synonyms and coordinate terms mean one specific type of party (the pre-wedding type), not any party involving unaccompanied post-pubescent males (or females). Its meaning cannot be inferred from stag (or bachelor, buck, hen, or bachelorette. DCDuring TALK 21:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Slippery slope, isn't it? Birthday party refers to a party held to celebrate a birthday, not one that just happens to occur on the birthday. Equinox ◑ 00:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hairstyle of a male deer? Keep. DAVilla 16:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Hadn't heard of this until I saw it here. US Americans call it a bachelor party. --Jackofclubs 15:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kept, strong overall majority. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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