User talk:Chihunglu83

cafullon

Hi.
can you please move the page cafullon to cafulloj? It is used mostly in third-person singular, but let's stick to standard form.

thanks!
-Mondiad2 (talk) 03:47, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

@Mondiad2 Hi, I have moved the page and this is one of the things that is still consistent and needs to be discussed again. Albanian dictionaries seem to prefer the third-person singular as the quote form for this kind of verb. I see the idea of using the first-person singular for consistency (as an infinitive) but if the 1. person is barely used...maybe @Catonif could also express opinion on this? Chihunglu83 (talk) 08:15, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Mondiad2 and Chihung! Interesting matter, glad we're talking about it. On one hand I agree we shouldn't just blindly follow other dictionaries if we have good reasons to think their choice wasn't ideal, on the other hand I also believe we shouldn't blindly do things for consistency if that leads us to lemmatising at forms which sound silly or ungrammatical. It's up to the editor to find the right balance between these two factors, I trust the judgement of native speakers. As I'm not a native speaker myself, in practice I've almost always followed what the ASHSH dictionaries do, and I'd rather continue doing so, even if it hinders "consistency". It is true however that there are some verbs in which only some senses are third-person only (the ones that FGJSSH 1890 marks as vet. veta III), so in those cases it makes sense to lemmatise all senses under the first person, marking the third-person ones perhaps with a label, or even just leaving it unmarked and up to common sense, it's more of a semantic constraint than a grammatical one. For example I didn't mark senses 10 and 12 of lëshoj as third-only since that felt somewhat up to the brain of the reader to deduce from the sense. This would indeed leave us with a weird distribution, where you kind of have to know what the verb means already before being able to acess its lemma (of course the problem is not as big thanks to the searchbar's suggestions). The most ideal solution would of course be to lemmatise all verbs at the third person singular, like Mr. Leonard Newmark did, although this would be a rather bold approach and, to the best of my knowledge, unprecedented besides that work. I'd be happy if we all agree to do so but I understand why we wouldn't want to.

TL;DR. Due to the matter being inherently complicated and oftentimes subjective, making up our own standards and our own criteria for when to lemmatise at third person and when at first feels too me a very tiring discussion for relatively little benefit, when there's much more important things to spend our precious time on, both within Wiktionary and outside of it. ;) My vote would be towards just following the ASHSH dictionaries for each case, so that we don't have to think of it too much ourselves, as in the end there is no objectively best solution. Of course, this is just my general advice, the ultimate choice on what to do and how to do something is up to the editor doing it depending on the situation.

Oh, just one more thing, language is beautiful because it's variegated and unpredictable! :D Let's not chase after the wrong carrot just for the sake of it, lexicography is no exact science, it's one thing to be coherent and another to be bland. Catonif (talk) 14:54, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

Fjalor i Madh

Hello, I found out a new online Albanian dictionary has gone up, https://fjalori.online/, which has over 100,000 words. I think this is a much better opportunity now to create new entries. Would you be able to make it into a proper link like with the other dictionaries? Shqypëtari (talk) 22:07, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Shqypëtari, it's already there, sorry I forgot to ping you. see Template:R:sq:FMGSH:2026. This dictionary is much preferred, so this link is enough. Chihunglu83 (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

So quick lol, thank you. I already found words on Wiki which I made but aren't in standard dictionaries. Shqypëtari (talk) 16:41, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Category:Kota Marudu Tinagas language

Please use the WT:Language treatment requests method for getting language categories deleted. For one thing, deleting the category itself accomplishes nothing: someone may see the redlink in WT:LOL and decide to re-create it. For another, the ISO doesn't have the final say on these: we create our own 6-digit non-ISO codes from deprecated or retired ISO codes all the time, in which case we generally just change the codes in the modules without doing anything to the categories themselves. Chances are that the same facts the ISO considered will lead us to the same conclusion- but you never know.

When you submit it to WT:LTR, the people there know which modules to edit, and routinely do so when a decision has been made. The deletion discussion and decision also gets archived. That page is very busy right now, but if it's such a no-brainer it won't take much of anyone's time.

I realize that you created the category page yourself and feel responsible for it, but like I said, the category page is only part of the picture. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:07, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for reminding. Like what you said, I will submit later. Chihunglu83 (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

please don't try to "help" create categories when a language move is happening

Hi, I notice you created Category:Miriwoong language right when I was about to rename all the Miriwung categories to Miriwoong. That blocked renaming Category:Miriwung language; renaming is preferable to creating a new category and deleting the old one because it maintains the history and gives a reason for the rename (as well as the fact that someone then has to manually delete the old category). In this case, I deleted your newly created category and then moved it by hand. I would recommend in the future if you see a language rename in progress, let it run its course rather than trying to help it along. Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 02:38, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I thought I forgot to recreate this category. Also, do we create empty lang. categories (especially those which extinct for some time and have little documentation?) I know that we normally don't allow empty cats right? Chihunglu83 (talk) 02:43, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

Generally there's no need to create empty categories for languages if there are no subcategories. But of course Category:Miriwoong language isn't empty; what language(s) were you thinking of? Benwing2 (talk) 03:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC)