User talk:Romanb

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Kouř a kouřit[edit]

Hi Roman, I have changed kouř to classify kouřit as a related term instead of a derived derm. If you are positive that "kouřit" is derived from "kouř" and not the other way around, please correct my change. Happy contributing! --Dan Polansky 10:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:see[edit]

We don;t use the template {{see}} anymore. The new template is {{also}}. The problem was that there is a language whose ISO code is "see", and we are therefore (slowly) switching out the old template for the new one. --EncycloPetey 20:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The language is Seneca. --EncycloPetey 20:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Keene[edit]

This user has been indefinitely blocked as a recurring vandal of Wiktionary. --EncycloPetey 20:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of any users who both know Czech and run bots. There are several editors very knowledgable about Czech, and several who run bots, but generally not both. --EncycloPetey 20:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I belong to neither of these two groups. However, I think there is something you can do. You could try to devise templates which (basically autogenerate and then) show the forms Czech verbs can take. Due to similarities, you might find the corresponding templates for Polish helpful that Maro and I have devised. The most important ones are probably {{pl-conj-ai}} and {{pl-conj-ap}}, see also Category:Polish templates (which, however, contains a few obsolete templates). When the forms are in some way generated, it is probably relatively easy to extract the entries. (In my personal opinion, it is a lot more useful to have inflected/conjugated forms as a table rather than scattered across thirty different pages.) -- Gauss 17:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:cs-conj-kup-ovat and Template:cs-conj-ovat[edit]

Hi Roman. You are right, all -ovat verbs are conjugated the same way, so we do not need both templates. Best Regards, Karelklic 18:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Please do not redirect existing template to new template but improve old one. See Category talk:Czech conjugation templates. Thanks. --Thomas was here  15:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Substantivum (cs)[edit]

Note that all language specific templates (such as decl templates) must start with the language code, e.g. "cs-" Robert Ullmann 18:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Unusual template name, declension templates are almost invariably of the form <lang>-decl-<PoS>. But apart from that - what is the advantage of this template over {{cs-decl-noun}} except that you have to type more with the new one? -- Gauss 18:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The advantage of Template:Substantivum (cs) over {{cs-decl-noun}} is that I can copy text directly from the Czech Wiktionary, for nouns which use cs:Šablona:Substantivum (cs). It is an experiment, and these templates are identical, so maybe I will redirect Template:Substantivum (cs) to Template:cs-decl-noun, when I manage them. --Ro-manB 18:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I think that the existing {{cs-decl-noun}} works just fine. I find it undesirable to adjust Czech templates at English Wiktionary to match what has become a convention at Czech Wiktionary. Please, think twice before making substantial changes to templates widely used in the Czech words in English Wiktionary. Note that Czech Wiktionary has currently only 5362 entries, only some of them Czech, and that there is {{cs-decl-noun-auto}}, which does a lot of work for you. --Dan Polansky 20:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the non-standard {{Substantivum (cs)}} from all the pages where it has been used. Please, do not add it again. If you want to use that template to simplify taking over Czech declensions from Czech Wiktionary, then please redesign the template so that it uses {{cs-decl-noun}}, and then use the template {{Substantivum (cs)}} with "subst:", like "{{subst:Substantivum (cs)...}}", which replaces the template with its content before it is saved to the page, leading to the entry of the standard {{cs-decl-noun}} template. --Dan Polansky 06:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Romanbot and correctness[edit]

Hello Roman, Gauss has raised a doubt about the correctness of passive participles generated by Romanbot from {{cs-conj-ovat}}, at User talk:Dan Polansky. Can you tell us the sources describing Czech conjugation on which you base the robot, and which can be used to verify that the entries created by the robot are going to be almost exclusively correct? --Dan Polansky 08:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The basics is from w:Czech verbs, but also from de.wiktionary (maybe this is not so good source of information) and from a rather dusty old grammar book I found in my library (I do not remember the name, but I will look for it and reference it on en.wiktionary the next time I will go there). I will research more about passive participles, and my bot will be at a standstill until this time. --Romanb 14:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Czech feminine nouns[edit]

Are you sure this is a useful category? Is there a similar category for any other language? --Dan Polansky 18:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)¨

I don't any other language with "feminine nouns" category. But this can be useful to see similar properties - for example many Czech words which end in -ka, -sie, -nost, -tie, -ace etc. are feminine, while -o words are normally neutuer and words ending in a consonant are mostly masculine. --Romanb 07:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, we have Category:Latin feminine nouns in the second declension and Category:French feminine nouns. --Romanb 07:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I've brought the issue to Wiktionary:Beer parlour, to see what other people think. --Dan Polansky 08:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Using cs-decl-noun-auto[edit]

Hello Roman, when using {{cs-decl-noun-auto}}, you have to verify for each entry that what it produces is indeed correct. Unfortunately, the template is not without flaws, and requires human supervision. For instance, it is currently incorrect for Alžířan, where it has "Alžířanové" and should have "Alžířané"; the same goes for Američan. I'll have a look if I can fix the automatic declension template for these cases. --Dan Polansky 18:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed the template for these two cases. --Dan Polansky 18:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Argentinec shows no declension table at all. It is no good to enter templates without checking the result at all. I'll have a look at the automatic template, and fix some more cases. But please, next time around, review the changes that you are doing. --Dan Polansky 18:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm afraid the declension table at absťák shows the word with unaccented a's - now even though this is the dialectal pronunciation where I was born ;-), I tried to correct it, but after adding the acute accent into the template no table appeared at all. I wouldn't trouble you with this if I knew how to fix it, but I don't. --Duncan MacCall 21:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Duncan, I have fixed the template for absťák and hák. --Dan Polansky 07:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting these Dan - I have been adding any pages with dodgy declensions to User:Romanb/Declensions to add, so maybe this will lead to greater speed when dealing with these cases. --Romanb 18:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
For the entries in which the automatic template does not work, you can use {{cs-decl-noun}}, and enter the declension manually, or you can skip the entry. Intentionally leaving entries malformatted is undesirable. --Dan Polansky 11:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)