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The city is Erevan (not Yerevan) in the local Armenian dialect, which is the natural development of Old Armenian Երևան(Erewan). Erivan too is attested in dialectal Armenian. The forms you mentioned could be borrowed from Armenian. There is no reason to assume Turkic-Persian mediation in this case. Vahag (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are talking about Azerbaijani kətə, which is obviously the same as Middle Armenian գաթայ(gatʻay). Are you saying the food name is of Turkic origin because the pie is large and Uzbek katta means "large"? Vahag (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
It comes from Ottoman Turkish. source: Опыт словаря тюркских наречий В. В. Радлова, том второй, 1899 г. (page 1128) kätä ottoman turkishSebirkhan (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
It says it is synonym of "galette de Van" (turkish: Van çöreği) /Dictionnaire turc-français, 1886 (page 613)/ Dictionnaire turc-français, 1886 (page 613)Sebirkhan (talk) 18:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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hello!! :3
first of all, i appreciate all the contribution you've done to wikt, thanks for all of them! however, i've noticed that some of your recent edits include a few terms that are spelled in a way resembling of ottoman turkish: اوطاق, بیراق, سنجاق and ایلچی. when i tried searching them on azbwiki, i barely got any results. i'd like to know whether these spellings do exist in modern azerbaijani spelled with arabic script? if they are from historical times when aze & ota where spelled almost identical, we should mark them as so. thanks!! ₍^⸝⸝> ·̫ <⸝⸝ ^₎ əkrəm.05:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello, i took it from Azerbaijani Turkish (Trans-Caucasian Tatar/Turkish, Persian (Iranian) Tatar/Turkish, Ajami Turkish) books which is ancestor of modern Azerbaijani language. I took 1 word not only from 1 book and 1 author, but from different books and different authors, which prooves that is real Azerbaijani variation of spelling of the word. I used next books:
then, i assume, it's the dated spelling that looks like ottoman turkish, which i think we should specify in the entry. by the way, azerbaijani terms should be kept in the latin-script entries, and for arabic-script, you should use {{spelling of}}. thank you so much!! ^^ əkrəm.18:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think azerbaijani terms should be kept in the Abjad-script entries, and for latin-script, you should use spelling of becouse most Azerbaijanis uses Abjad script (which different from Arabic) Sebirkhan (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
it doesn't, however, the method used to handle the biscriptal afrikaans language (which was mentioned in the discussion), is similar to the current implementation of south azerbaijani. even if more speakers use the arabic script (or abjad as you call it), since two languages are merged in one, and the one written in latin script is, imho, more well-documented and standardized, and people think of the one with latin script unless you explicitly mention "southern" thing, and it’s more commonly used in the world outside iran, it'd be a silly idea to perceive the arabic script as the main one. and if we don't use {{spelling of}} for them, we're just going to end up with duplicate entries, which is much harder to maintain. əkrəm.18:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I respect your opinion because you are a person from the Republic of Azerbaijan and are subject to some propaganda and ideology of this state, but this does not mean that this point of view is correct. Sebirkhan (talk) 18:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
mövzunu elə dəyişirsiniz ki, belə çox gülmalı. it's just funny that you think while the govt spreads propaganda about the supremacy of the azerbaijani language written in latin script, and even funnier that you think everybody just ağzına su alıb oturur and doesn't question nə verir baş. i kindly ask you to provide some arguments instead of this dünyanı masonlar idarə eləyir-alike political bs. əkrəm.18:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for funny moment, I hope we can improve az wiktionary words without interfering with each other. I am good in Abjad words and Latin and Cyrillic of Azerbaijani language. Sebirkhan (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
you didn't read the final part of my message, did you?
Why did you revert my edits withoud any discussion? It is non-sense, who says I can not use our alphabet for our words? And who says that Roman alphabet is main alphabet of Azerbaijani language? May be it is Actual in Azerbaijani Rebuplic, but not actual for other countries where Azerbaijanis are indigenous people, for example in Russia correct form is Cyrillic. Sebirkhan (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
nobody does. nobody says your opinion is valid either. in order to reach a conclusion, i've been asking for you to provide arguments —other than the number of speakers— to explain why you think so. əkrəm.19:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Azerbaijani Abjad Alphabet is official alphabet for Azerbaijani language in Iraq, Iraq and Afghanistan, I mean Azerbaijani language and do not confuse it with South Azerbaijani, which uses other grammar and dialectal standard (for example South Azerbaijani official uses inən ("with") instead of ilə/ایله ("with") Sebirkhan (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
well, the problem is that it's not very much of official, it's just widespread. and south azerbaijani is just a dialect under the azerbaijani macrolanguage, so it's pretty possible to have some smol differences. not to mention that i've heard inən here in north, and people pronounce ilə as -nən (-nan). we're not talking about completely different languages here, just dialects under the same macrolanguage which use different scripts. since the latin script is considered more, let's say, universal, and terms spelled in arabic script don't differ from the ones spelled in latin script, other than the orthography, i think we better go with the current standard. you can also take a look at how languages using different scripts handle this situation; such as kazakh, uyghur, and uzbek. əkrəm.20:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Don't forget that Azerbaijani speakers in Iran tend to be diglossic, using their native language in casual speech or writing, while using Persian in more formal contexts. Rodrigo5260 (talk) 00:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Əkrəm Cəfər According to Wikipedia the modern standard orthography for South Azerbaijani was adopted in ~1980, many of Sebir's dictionaries date to before that and should probably be listed as classical Azerbaijani or what ever term you AZ editors are using for that. — BABR・talk01:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
yeah there's a standard orthography for south aze, however its irl usage is like a needle in a haystack. speaking of dictionaries, i don't know if the term classical azerbaijani would be right —it should be discussed, however— as the vast majority of words are actually used in the modern spoken language, just the orthography is, like, dated. anyways, thanks for your contribution, i appreciate it! ^^ əkrəm.02:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello, I was blocked for 1 week. It says "Re-adding previously deleted entries" I created Ajami Turkish and then Fenakhay moved it to Ajami Turkic 35 minutes later. BEfore it I have seen that Ajami Turkish page is missing and created it, and after this it hapened again. As I understand he wants to use Turkic instead of Turkish, but Turkish page says that Turkish is synonym of Turkic. I am as Azerbaijani can say that Turkic word used for words like turkic runes, turkic tribes and other ancient things (also it common for all Turkic nations) but in case of Azerbaijani we use "Turkish". For example Azeri Turkish, Azerbaijani Turkish (see: w:Azerbaijani_language). So anyway it is not incorrect word but synonyms, and I was blocked becouse I have used synonyms?
