User talk:Senorsmile

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Again, welcome! (Also, take a look at WT:AHE if you want tips on the format for Hebrew entries. Thanks!) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @Metaknowledge. I've edited a few pages, but plan to get a little more aggressive with adding common missing words, citations etc. Also still learning the policies of the wiktionary community, so the above template is very useful. Senorsmile

That's great; there's certainly a lot of work to be done with Hebrew around here. Feel free to ask questions whenever you need help. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge; any pointers you could give me in deciphering how some of the verb conjugation templates are supposed to be used? E.g. Template:he-conj-pa'al a looks quite complete, although I see most verbs using either an newer manual he-conj e.g.: אבד or an even older completely manual conjugation table with html: e.g. אכל. Senorsmile (talk) 03:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I know hardly any Hebrew grammar, so I will ping @Wikitiki89 to sort this out for you. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 03:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Our Hebrew conjugation tables were never very good. User:Dick Laurent has been improving and expanding them lately, so he will know them better. --WikiTiki89 10:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Although a lot of the irregularities caused by various letters could be packed into one main template (and I did manage to get some of the easier ones like ל״ג into the templates), like {{he-conj-pa'al a}} and {{he-conj-pi'el}}, the code would just get really massive and difficult to read. So I've been making subtemplates like {{he-conj-pi'el/ל״א}}. There's still a lot to do, but Category:Hebrew verb inflection-table templates contains the ones we've got. There should probably be an appendix listing these and describing their use in one place, but I've never gotten around to that either. — Z. [ קהת ] b"A. — 11:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I have played around with a couple of those templates, but it's not entirely clear how you are to use them. For newbies like me and others coming in to help, could we add basic usage patterns to each of the template pages? E.g.

{{template-name|firstarg|secondarg|etc}}

Senorsmile (talk) 02:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The basic arguments are just p=, a=, and l=. For the more specific subtemplates, one of those might be missing.

For example, the usage for חיכה would be

{{he-conj-pi'el/ל״ה|p=ח|a=כ}}

Since you've got he-1 on your page, I have to warn you to be very careful adding Hebrew conjugations. Hebrew verbs aren't simple. — Z. [ קהת ] b"A. — 07:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Great, that actually makes sense.

Yes, I wouldn't dare contribute my own weak knowledge of anything. I picked up second hand book that has proven invaluable, and has thus far included every single verb I've ever run into: "Hebrew Verb Tables by Asher Tarmon & Ezri Uval". It claims to have 3600 verbs, categorized into 235 verb tables. My goal is to verify any conjugation information with painstaking detail from the tables in that book, and from any other sources I have, just to triple check the entry. Senorsmile (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Even with the best guides, the nature of Hebrew writing is such that it can be easy to overlook a missing dot or two. תיזהר בבקשה. — Z. [ קהת ] b"A. — 10:25, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's is a correction I've just made that according to the general rules of conjugation, and confirmed by the aforementioned book, is correct: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%9A&type=revision&diff=34149071&oldid=33151303 . Please correct me if my correction was incorrect :-P Senorsmile (talk) 04:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

No, you were right. That's exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, actually. — Z. [ קהת ] b"A. — 08:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

שלגון

I really don't think that in Israel they would even know the difference between a popsicle and snowstorm. --WikiTiki89 20:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering if someone would comment on that one. I had this in my "figure it out" list for a day, and after only seeing references to it meaning popsicle in all of my dictionaries, and finally coming upon this article,(https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%95%D7%9F) I decided to change it as it doesn't really seem to mean that. A snow storm seems to always be either סוּפַת שְׁלָגִים, or סוּפַת שֶׁלֶג. I have a couple of Israeli friends whom I've put this question out to get some native speaker input. Senorsmile (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2015 (UTC)