User talk:Tohru/2006-01

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Just to let you know, User:Kappa has asked at Wiktionary:Requests for deletion#Some oldest Japanese entries what is wrong with the word バーニング. Gerard Foley 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Japanese heteronyms[edit]

Why are you removing this category? Especially why are you doing so without even giving edit comments to show that you are undoing somebody's work? It's useful to know that "itta" has two unrelated meanings as with many other (but not all) Japanese words, and gathering them together in a category is just what categories are for. — Hippietrail 16:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

行った and 言った are homonyms, not heteronyms, aren't they? Their pronunciations are exactly the same. But I should've left enough comments about it and must apologize. --Tohru 16:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The terms are very confusing. Let me check them again... Yes you're right. They are not heteronyms. But we avoid using the term homonym because it is ambiguous. It can mean either homograph or homophone. Since their usual spelling (including kanji) are not homographs, I'd say the true path would lie in replacing cat:ja het with cat:ja homophone. Even if such a category doesn't exist yet it will when you correct the cat links. Correcting is better work than deleting. Have a good one! — Hippietrail 17:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I also think homophone is the fittest word to classify them. And, I will bear correcting is better work than deleting in mind :). However, you know, homophone is one of the most common thing in Japanese and there are countless numbers of them. Is it really informative and helpful to stuff a category with all the homophones, かく, きく, おく, ひく, けん and かんちょう just to name few? That would result in the same sort of thing as "a category of all the synonyms in English". --Tohru 18:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Plus the whole homonym (or is it heteronym?) thing is redundant since we have Hiragana entries and they are all homonyms or heteronyms anyway. Millie 17:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Kinda true but they're not in the same place - you have to look for them, and we have parallel categories for other languages. Redundancy is not evil in this case. — Hippietrail 17:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


You removed a link on this page to the Wikibook of Japanese. Just want to say thanks, I forgot all about that. Gerard Foley 16:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi there. I see that you have found some of my Sumo words. When I have finished, I was going to ask you to check them - I think that some of them are wrong, in that they should be defined as if they were singular/plural instead of plural/singular. They are all in the Sumo category. Cheers Jeff (p.s. We used to get Sumo on the Eurosport TV channel in England, but not for some time now) SemperBlotto 16:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, actually I already checked many of your Sumo words and have been stunned at the accuracy, though while a few definitions of them might leave some room for improvement. I think some of those entries would very informative even to native Japanese speakers. I have to confess that I am one who learned from your entries - I've never heard of 十両格 juryo-kaku, the gyoji rank. Thanks so much ;) Tohru 17:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

regarding character decomposition[edit]

Hello Tohru,

thank you for your comment on my character decomposition idea. As it seems decomposition did not make much sense to anyone else out there unfortunately, but I respect your opinion on this topic, especially because you are a native Japanese speaker. Your examples on how decomposition would work in the English language are straightforward, yet I must say that it does not hit the nail perfectly on its head when comparing written Latin script with Han characters/kanji. I tried to make a pure logical approach, brutally not respecting respectfulness. But in many cases it really does make sense, such as in (Water + Air = Steam).

Maybe you can use a Han character as an example where my usual approach on character decomposition would be so horribly bad that I can understand what is wrong with it?

Thank you and bye bye, --Abdull 17:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language[edit]

Point taken on the 1000 Japanese basic words thing, but I do think we need to advertise Wiktionary:Translations of the Week. There is simply not enough people at Wiktionary yet for this to be successful without an announcement on Wikipedia. Gerard Foley 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

No, what you said is true, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language is not an announcement board. Wiktionary:Translations of the Week shouln't be posted there every week but... Gerard Foley 04:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi. I was going over some words that got added a while ago and 甘い has a zillion definitions. Are they all right? Are there other senses? What exactly is the difference between amai and umai? If you have time, could you maybe give it a look over? Thank you, WereCarrot 18:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you ^_^ --WereCarrot 17:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to contribute[edit]


You might or might not already be aware that there is now a new system in place for marking translations that need to be checked (those that are suspected of being incorrect or those where it is not clear which sense(s) of a word the translations apply to). (See here for the Beer parlour discussion on this topic.)

Translations to be checked are now categorised by language. For example, Category:Translations_to_be_checked_(French) contains a list of all words where French translations need to be checked. This is designed to make the checking of these translations easier to maintain and work with.

I'm contacting everyone who has either expressed an interest in working on translations or has indicated in Wiktionary:Babel that they have a good knowledge of a particular foreign language or languages.

Would you be interested in helping out with the translations to be checked for Japanese? If so, please read the page on how to check translations.

If you want to reply to this message, please do so on my talk page. Thanks for your help you can provide.

Paul G 08:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the correction. I initially wrote く but changed it to きゅう after seeing きゅうがつ somewhere. Now I can't find where I saw that. Either I read a typo or I only imagined reading it. Anyway, thanks! Rodasmith 05:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

どういたしまして! それと the months of the Japanese lunar calendar のエントリー作成、お疲れ様です。いい感じですねー。--Tohru 06:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I am happy to show the poetic definitions for those entries in addition to modern Category:ja:Months (e.g. はちがつ), so I created Category:ja:Lunar months. Do you know a better category for the poetic terms? Maybe we should replace "Lunar months" with a more accurate and modern Japanese term. What do you think? Rodasmith 00:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
As you know, you say it as 旧暦の月名 or 陰暦の月名 in Japanese. I feel the naming of the category is accurate enough as the English translation, and would be the best among what I can think of. Maybe I think we should adopt it. --Tohru 11:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi there! I came across this word yesterday...but I don't quite understand how the pronunciation fits the kanji! Is there some kind of euphemism going on here that I don't understand? Widsith 06:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I checked it out, and it was highly interesting. The pronunciation is the truncated form of おいらん姉さん oiran nēsan, euphonically changed おいらの姉さん oira no nēsan. My girl in English. As you can see, there's a difference between the meanings of the kanji and the pronunciation... --Tohru 12:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Editing WiktionaryZ in Japanese[edit]

We have enabled people to edit in Japanese in WiktionaryZ. When you interested, please indicate to me that you have read the DefinedMeaning article .. oh and yes, inform other people that might be interested in WiktionaryZ and Japanese.. Thanks, GerardM 09:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)