Category talk:Japanese makurakotoba

RFD discussion: August 2017–July 2018

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Category:Makurakotoba

Theoretically meant to contain pillow words, but the only member of the category is the Japanese entry for pillow word itself. —suzukaze (t・c) 09:13, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Would not want this category deleted. How about creating an example of one from Wikipedia? The only thing to consider is what part of speech to use. Examples/quotations from poetry to support is helpful too. 104.5.75.98 02:33, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

If it's kept, it should be renamed to include "Japanese" in the name. —CodeCat 09:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c, @CodeCat: As in "ja:Makurakotoba"? Here's an example:

• 1005, Shūi Wakashū (book 13, poem 778), text here (also Hyakunin Isshu, poem 3)

  足(あし)引(びき)の山(やま)鳥(どり)のをのしだり尾(を)のながながし夜(よ)を獨(ひとり)かもねむ

  ashibiki no yamadori no o no shidari-o no naga-nagashi yo o hitori ka mo nen

  The pheasant of the mountain, tiring to the feet, spreads his tail feathers. Through the long, long night I sleep alone.

A waka by Kakinomoto no Hitomaro. The makurakotoba in question is ashibiki no and it modifies yama (mountain) or yamadori (mountain-bird/pheasant). Assuming a new entry is created, 足引の (ashihiki/ashibiki no) with or without the no particle; what to write in the # ? The etymology has to be considered as well. 104.5.75.98 04:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

In this case (supported by my anonymous edit), @Suzukaze-c and @CodeCat, keep and rename to "Japanese pillow words" (or something like that); and would suggest a template for pillow words. Daijirin has "pillow word" for a part of speech (or something like that).

Here's a sampling (feel free to modify):

(article tile) 足引の
(header 2) Japanese
(header 3) Etymology
Phrase compound of 足 (ashi, “feet”) + 引き (hiki) + の (no, possessive particle).

(header 3) Epithet (Pillow word, Makurakotoba, or etc...)
Japanese makurakotoba(あしひき) or Japanese makurakotoba(あしびき) • (ashihiki or ashibiki) 

1. text goes here

   Modifiers: 山, 嶺, ...

--POKéTalker (talk) 21:39, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

If we actually use the category, then it's fine by me. I nominated it for deletion because it's essentially empty. "Japanese pillow words" is good. —suzukaze (t・c) 18:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Suzukaze-c, my vote to keep this category still holds. There's already a category called Category:Yojijukugo, without the ja: prefix. It's best to retain the name as "Makurakotoba", since it's also untranslated as "Yojijukugo". What do you think? More entries added to the category: 庭つ鳥, 茜さす, among others. ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 02:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 06:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Withdrawn. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 04:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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