Category talk:Nautical
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It is rather unusual for us to use a bare adjective as a category name. I can't really think of anything substantially better, but if someone has an idea, I'd be glad to hear it. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing is already taken as a subcat (though I don't know what the difference is supposed to be), so perhaps Category:Nautical terminology? —Angr 13:45, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- I believe Category:Sailing has to do specifically with sailboats: you can set sail in a submarine, but the verb "surface" isn't a sailing term (unless you're doing a really bad job of it)... Chuck Entz (talk) 14:23, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- What about Category:Boating? That's what Wikipedia's Sailing category is a subcat of. —Angr 15:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- I like your previous suggestion, Nautical terminology. If you take a look, a lot of it is sailors' slang. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- There is slang, and there is jargon. The sailing argot of the late 19th-early 20th century was also translingual; there is ample evidence the industry required proficiency in the technical language but did not require the ability to otherwise communicate with colleagues or officers. Much of nautical terminology refers to maritime and shipping law, e.g.
Singapore was established as an entrepôt port(which term is completely lacking the tax-relevant character: it is a port/warehouse at which goods may be stored for transshipment without incurring taxes.) - Amgine/ t·e 19:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
- There is slang, and there is jargon. The sailing argot of the late 19th-early 20th century was also translingual; there is ample evidence the industry required proficiency in the technical language but did not require the ability to otherwise communicate with colleagues or officers. Much of nautical terminology refers to maritime and shipping law, e.g.
- I like your previous suggestion, Nautical terminology. If you take a look, a lot of it is sailors' slang. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- What about Category:Boating? That's what Wikipedia's Sailing category is a subcat of. —Angr 15:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- I believe Category:Sailing has to do specifically with sailboats: you can set sail in a submarine, but the verb "surface" isn't a sailing term (unless you're doing a really bad job of it)... Chuck Entz (talk) 14:23, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- No other categories, AFAICT, use "terminology" in their name, so I support Angr's suggestion of Category:Boating. - -sche (discuss) 00:32, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- I don't love it, but I could go with Boating. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- I say to leave the category "nautical" as it is. "Boating terms" is just a subset of "nautical terms." "Watercraft" would be the term for for both surface and submarine vessels (as well as seaplanes technically). However, I do think we need more subcategories within "category:nautical" since "nautical" is a very vague and comprehensive term that can also be applied to (nautical) meteorological terms (e.g. hurricanes and waterspouts) as well as to swimming and diving terms, nautical myths and legends (e.g. krakens, mermaids, and Atlantis), and a very large number of names for ocean animals, particularly those used in the fishing industry. Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:21, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps the category can be changed actually to having a supercategory of "category:sea" and then subdivide that into categories of (saltwater) terms for watercraft, water navigation, seaports, sea animals, sea plants, sea myths and legends, seaborne activities, etc. Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Kept mostly coz nobody knows what else to do about it. --Genecioso (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Amgine, Chuck Entz, Genecioso, Mahagaja, Metaknowledge, Nicole Sharp, Per utramque cavernam: sorry, I'm coming to the party late, but what about "Category:Water transport"? This would cover both transportation both in freshwater and at sea. We already have "Category:Rail transportation" and "Category:Road transport" (we should decide whether to standardize with either transport or transportation). — SGconlaw (talk) 12:37, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Amgine, Chuck Entz, Genecioso, Mahagaja, Metaknowledge, Nicole Sharp, Per utramque cavernam: Anyone have thoughts on my proposal? — SGconlaw (talk) 02:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Well, take a look at what we actually have in the category. I see words like ahoy, Admiral of the Fleet, and beskozyrka, none of which can be described as "water transport". —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'd say they can be said to relate to water transport. — SGconlaw (talk) 07:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- "Transport" implies the serious business of moving things from Point A to Point B. "Boating", on the other hand, is mostly about recreational uses. This category has to cover both. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- In that case, maybe create “Water transport” as a parent category of “Nautical”. After all, even boating for pleasure involves transporting people on the water. Then if the parent category is more appropriate for some entries, it can be used instead of “Nautical”. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- "Transport" implies the serious business of moving things from Point A to Point B. "Boating", on the other hand, is mostly about recreational uses. This category has to cover both. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'd say they can be said to relate to water transport. — SGconlaw (talk) 07:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Well, take a look at what we actually have in the category. I see words like ahoy, Admiral of the Fleet, and beskozyrka, none of which can be described as "water transport". —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)