Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/h₁rewg-

*g or *ǵ?

@CodeCat LIV, Martirosyan, and Beekes have *g, but De Vaan and Derksen have *ǵ. The Balto-Slavic seems to point to *g, but Derksen proposes the opposite. The reverse is the case for Armenian and *ǵ, but Martirosyan proposes *g. I'm so confused. —JohnC5 01:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Me too. —CodeCat 01:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@Vahagn Petrosyan, any thoughts about this? Also, Beekes mentions another Auslaut form *h₁rewk- as the origin of several words meaning "to roar" (Old Church Slavonic рꙑкати (rykati), Old English rȳn < Proto-Germanic *rūhjaną, Old High German ruhōn < Proto-Germanic *ruhōną, Latin runcō). —JohnC5 02:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Slavic and Persian both have a stop. What is the evidence for ǵ? — ObſequiousNewt — Geſpꝛaͤch — Beÿtraͤge 02:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

As best I can tell, only Armenian. I'm just so baffled why De Vaan and Derksen disagree. —JohnC5 02:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

PIE velars are palatalized in Armenian after *-u. Compare օծանեմ (ōcanem), ածուխ (acux), լոյս (loys), օձ (ōj). So Armenian is cool with either *ǵ or *g. --Vahag (talk) 08:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

...So there is no evidence for a palatal? —JohnC5 14:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Not from Armenian, no. What about Old Church Slavonic ръзати (rŭzati, “to neigh”) (→ Russian ржать (ržatʹ))? --Vahag (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Why the change in consonant? —CodeCat 16:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Which consonant do you mean? Anyway, the etymology given at ржать (ržatʹ) is probably wrong. ржать (ržatʹ) is rather inherited and ръзати (rŭzati) is Old East Slavic, not Church Slavonic. --Vahag (talk) 07:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

z > ž. —CodeCat 12:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)